Trade Returns - Stone/Duchene/Dzingel

[chipsens]

So..what's the odds of Ryan being swapped for Perreault ($retained by Sens)... gives us a C to replace Duchene

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

So..what's the odds of Ryan being swapped for Perreault ($retained by Sens)... gives us a C to replace Duchene

very low. nobody wants Ryan

 

[Daffy]

very low. nobody wants Ryan

If Sens ate 2 or 3 million then Ryan becomes a desirable asset. He'd get at least 4.5 on the open market. Teams saw what be did in the playoffs and 50 point guys don't grow on trees.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

If Sens ate 2 or 3 million then Ryan becomes a desirable asset. He'd get at least 4.5 on the open market. Teams saw what be did in the playoffs and 50 point guys don't grow on trees.

maybe if the Sens ate 2 or 3 million, but i still dont see teams giving up much value for him.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

So..what's the odds of Ryan being swapped for Perreault ($retained by Sens)... gives us a C to replace Duchene

I could see us taking Perrault in a Stone trade if there's an extension in the deal. I don't think the Jets would be able to move Perrault's contract in a regular trade. He's still got two years left at north of 4 million, isn't producing, and is playing the lowest minutes of his career as a Jet. If they extend Stone, they need to get out of that contract.

I can't see them taking Ryan, even with retained salary. It doesn't make sense.

If there's a Stone w/extension trade, we'll take Perrault as a long time veteran to fill out our roster and hope that he has a bounce back 2020 season on a weaker team so that we can move him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick either in the summer of 2020 or at the 2021 trade deadline.

If you're looking for a Ryan money swap trade, I would look towards a swap with Calgary with James Neal. There's probably a way to work that out so that the money situation is better for Ottawa, and the Sens get an asset.

 

[Cosmix]

Last year's stats? Some 27yo named Logan has 20G this year...otherwise..?

2017-18. His first name is Buddy!

 

[Cosmix]

So..what's the odds of Ryan being swapped for Perreault ($retained by Sens)... gives us a C to replace Duchene

Why? Melnyk wants young players on low salary contracts.

 

[drewjenks]

If either Stone or Duchene go to Nashville, I think we could pry away one of Tolvanen or Fabbro, get a 1st and forgo a roster player.

After Boyle got a 2nd, Dzingle can get us a first.

There are less than 10 stanley cup contenders & half of them don't have their 2019 1st.

With Panarin, Stone, Duchene, Hamilton, Huberdeau, Schenn, Hayes, Kreider, Ferland, Silfverberg, Simmonds, Faulk, E.Staal, Edler, etc .... no one is giving up a 1st for Dzingel.

 

[saskriders]

There are less than 10 stanley cup contenders & half of them don't have their 2019 1st.

With Panarin, Stone, Duchene, Hamilton, Huberdeau, Schenn, Hayes, Kreider, Ferland, Silfverberg, Simmonds, Faulk, E.Staal, Edler, etc .... no one is giving up a 1st for Dzingel.

Does it make more sense to target 1sts for next year (not just for Dzingel, but all of them). I seem to recall people saying that 2020 is supposed to be a better draft year, and hell there is a chance we can grab what ends up being a lotto pick instead of what will almost certainly be 16 or later. It isn't like we aren't going to be terrible next year so why not kick the can down the road a year?

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Does it make more sense to target 1sts for next year (not just for Dzingel, but all of them). I seem to recall people saying that 2020 is supposed to be a better draft year, and hell there is a chance we can grab what ends up being a lotto pick instead of what will almost certainly be 16 or later. It isn't like we aren't going to be terrible next year so why not kick the can down the road a year?

I agree with this. No team should ever give up a first until at least January of that draft year, as they know the proximity of the pick. We're the perfect example of what should have been a pick in the 20's turning into 4th overall.

If we can steal teams' 2020 1sts, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Could be a gold mine.

 

[Beavski24]

Do you think they’d do Laine for stone+

Because I think they’d be dumb not to

Laine isn't moving lol

 

[Micklebot]

There are less than 10 stanley cup contenders & half of them don't have their 2019 1st.

With Panarin, Stone, Duchene, Hamilton, Huberdeau, Schenn, Hayes, Kreider, Ferland, Silfverberg, Simmonds, Faulk, E.Staal, Edler, etc .... no one is giving up a 1st for Dzingel.

Eh, Tatar got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, Kane and Stastny got a 1st+, Brassard got a 1st, Hanzal got a 1st,

Dzingel is on pace for significantly more pts than any of them were. If we can find a situation where he'll extend, or where a team will offer up a conditional 1st it's certainly possible to get a 1st. It might not be a 2019 1st, but it's certainly possible.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Jets fan in peace...

Not sure why Dorion would want to extend any of the UFAs. I think you should be building around Chabot/Tkachuk ( who are too sweet!) and adding 5-8 picks/prospects around their age would go a long way to making the Sens elite in 4-5 years.

 

[GrantLemons]

Jets fan in peace...

Not sure why Dorion would want to extend any of the UFAs. I think you should be building around Chabot/Tkachuk ( who are too sweet!) and adding 5-8 picks/prospects around their age would go a long way to making the Sens elite in 4-5 years.

You need veterans to mentor young players. They set an example in work ethic, leadership, and help to define a winning culture which is crucial to any successful team.

Have a look at the Oilers for the last 10 years as an example of what happens when you go scorched earth rebuild with no veterans who are actually good at hockey.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

making the Sens elite in 4-5 years.

In addition to @GrantLemons point above, a lot of it has to do with optics. The organization has been bleeding talent. If they cut loose Duchene, Stone AND Dzingel, what does that say about the team's ability to spend, its desire to win or its understanding of the fanbase's issues with the team as a whole? It cuts much deeper than just "smart hockey decision" because the organization hasn't shown much ability to make those smart decisions in recent years. In a vacuum, I'd see your point. But given the state of the franchise, letting all three go will do a lot toward further alienating an already alienated fanbase. If they won't spend to retain Stone, for example – arguably a top right winger in the league with ridiculous work ethic, at an age where he'll still be effective once the rebuild is complete, what does that say about the team's ability to retain talent when Chabot or Tkachuk's ELCs come due?

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

I actually would not mind losing Tkachuk, he is way too physical/blabby for my taste. It wouldn't look great though, he's actually a fine building block.
We need to keep Stone though, let the gloryseeker Duchene go elsewhere.

 

[topshelf15]

I actually would not mind losing Tkachuk, he is way too physical/blabby for my taste. It wouldn't look great though, he's actually a fine building block.
We need to keep Stone though, let the gloryseeker Duchene go elsewhere.

WTH ???You are joking??

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wonder if Dorion has any self reflection on this. Like how its his job to evaluate where his team is at and the gamble he took that Duchene would want to stay after deciding to take the team way out of any kind of playoff contention

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wonder if the Stone camp is still undecided, or not quite as definite as Duchene. Has Dorion even gotten around to Dzingel yet.. If the other two go .. might as well try to get a first for Dzingel imo..

 

[BonkTastic]

Pop quiz, "monkey's paw" style.

Would you rather:

a) sign Ceci to a 3-year $4.75 mil contract and trade Boro for a 4th rounder, or
b) sign Boro to a 3 year $2.75 mil extension and make him the assistant captain, and trade Ceci for a 2nd.

 

[Sweatred]

I wonder if Dorion has any self reflection on this. Like how its his job to evaluate where his team is at and the gamble he took that Duchene would want to stay after deciding to take the team way out of any kind of playoff contention

The Sens had already decided they weren’t going to give Turris $7x6 to stay in Ottawa. Turris is hardly worth a second.

 

[Clayonator]

I actually would not mind losing Tkachuk, he is way too physical/blabby for my taste. It wouldn't look great though, he's actually a fine building block.
We need to keep Stone though, let the gloryseeker Duchene go elsewhere.

You’re out of your literal mind.....









If serious.

 

[BonkTastic]

The Sens had already decided they weren’t going to give Turris $7x6 to stay in Ottawa. Turris is hardly worth a second.

Turris as a rental was worth a 1st rounder, easy.

We got a 1st AND Gus for Brassard, and Turris is worth more than Brassard.

 

[Ouroboros]

Pop quiz, "monkey's paw" style.

Would you rather:

a) sign Ceci to a 3-year $4.75 mil contract and trade Boro for a 4th rounder, or
b) sign Boro to a 3 year $2.75 mil extension and make him the assistant captain, and trade Ceci for a 2nd.

B. No question.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The Sens had already decided they weren’t going to give Turris $7x6 to stay in Ottawa. Turris is hardly worth a second.

Samuel Girard, prospect Vladislav Kamenev and a 2018 second-round draft pick last year.
He'd have returned a 1st ++ at the TDL last year.

Not sure the point you are failing to make
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