Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread Part XIIV

[Scriptor]

We ain't getting any top forwards this summer.. BargainBin has managed to somehow pay all his forwards under 6 million.

Drouin is our highest paying forward at 5 mill.

Pacioretty 30 goal scorer got like 4 mill
Radu got like 5-6 mill, anything more and he was shown the door.
Gallagher 30 goal scorer got 4 mill

When Domi's contract is up, and he deservedly ask for 5+ mill, he will be shown the door as well.

BargainBin only opens the wallet for defense like Karl Alzner and goalies.. like he said "you can never have too many defensemen"

That's so misrepresented it's scary. These folks that scored 30 were all signed to their contracts before they did. Why bother for the rest. Either you're disconnected from reality or just want to harp...

 

[Scriptor]

I wonder if we could swing a deal for Kapanen - leafs could use a young RHD. Kapanen would fit right in with our speed and youth imho and leafs will be hard pressed to resign him.

We have enough RHD depth, so I would do it.

A deal around Juulsen and Kapanen?

No guarantees Kapanen becomes anything better than he was in TOR in Montreal. That player definitely benefitted from playing with Star players in TOR. Over-rated, IMO. Could be a good 3rd line player in Montreal, though. Wouldn't trade Juulsen for 3rd line help. Will be expecting more than he is potentially worth as an RFA, IMO.

 

[blarneylad]

That's so misrepresented it's scary. These folks that scored 30 were all signed to their contracts before they did. Why bother for the rest. Either you're disconnected from reality or just want to harp...

He somehow turned something positive Bergevin has done into some delusional conspiracy theory about how bad Bergevin is.

 

[Vachon23]

I wonder if we could swing a deal for Kapanen - leafs could use a young RHD. Kapanen would fit right in with our speed and youth imho and leafs will be hard pressed to resign him.

We have enough RHD depth, so I would do it.

A deal around Juulsen and Kapanen?

I would do it ! Kapanen as top 6 potentiel and he would fit in our team I think. I have been concern about Juulsen staying healthy

 

[Sterling Archer]

I would do it ! Kapanen as top 6 potentiel and he would fit in our team I think. I have been concern about Juulsen staying healthy

What concerns do you have about him “staying healthy” exactly. Are you afraid he might have a recurring puck to the eye disorder?

 

[Vachon23]

What concerns do you have about him “staying healthy” exactly. Are you afraid he might have a recurring puck to the eye disorder?

No it’s more that he can’t play a full season without being injured since he’s been draft. I really like him when he was a prospect and I like what he bring but Kapanen would be a solide addition

 

[Scriptor]

No it’s more that he can’t play a full season without being injured since he’s been draft. I really like him when he was a prospect and I like what he bring but Kapanen would be a solide addition

I'd trade Juulsen, but as part of a package for something better than Kapanen

 

[Scriptor]

Fine. Juulsen and a 2nd for Kapanen whom I play on a better all-Finn line with Lehkonen and Kotkaniemi. Kapanen is a better finisher with more offensive upside than the older Armia.

Drouin - Domi - Shaw
Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Kotkaniemi - Kapanen
Byron - Poehling - Armia/Weal

 

[Runner77]

McGuire and Melnik on tsn690 now saying Erik Karlsson is not close to 100%, that's why he looks slower.

Yet still, he put up 9 assists in the series- and only 2 other dmen in the history of the NHL have done that.

I think he's staying in SJ, but if you look into his injury and it looks like something he'll eventually recover from, I roll the dice and offer him serious coin. I could see him being like Markov when he eventually gets over his injuries.

I don't even think "rolling the dice" has anything to do with it. The signing team can readily ascertain where Karlsson is at, via his medicals and a physical.

Assuming he passes his medicals, it's not even an issue -- you sign the guy without hesitation.

However, I really doubt a player of this caliber will show interest in Montreal given the Habs's track record of being unable to sign elite-type UFAs in the past.

 

[Frozenice]

No guarantees Kapanen becomes anything better than he was in TOR in Montreal. That player definitely benefitted from playing with Star players in TOR. Over-rated, IMO. Could be a good 3rd line player in Montreal, though. Wouldn't trade Juulsen for 3rd line help. Will be expecting more than he is potentially worth as an RFA, IMO.

Assuming we keep Drouin our 1st line should be Drouin/Domi/Kapanen. Who do we have who can fill that spot better on our roster/prospects pool/or UFA market? No one that I can think of.

He’ll fit in well on our team, plays a 200 foot game, it’s an easy yes from me.

 

[jaffy27]

McGuire and Melnik on tsn690 now saying Erik Karlsson is not close to 100%, that's why he looks slower.

Yet still, he put up 9 assists in the series- and only 2 other dmen in the history of the NHL have done that.

I think he's staying in SJ, but if you look into his injury and it looks like something he'll eventually recover from, I roll the dice and offer him serious coin. I could see him being like Markov when he eventually gets over his injuries.

I believe it’s out there that he wants to come back to the east

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

No guarantees Kapanen becomes anything better than he was in TOR in Montreal. That player definitely benefitted from playing with Star players in TOR. Over-rated, IMO. Could be a good 3rd line player in Montreal, though. Wouldn't trade Juulsen for 3rd line help. Will be expecting more than he is potentially worth as an RFA, IMO.

Kapanen will be a 50p+ player just because of his speed. He would fit MTL 100%

 

[26Mats]

I don't even think "rolling the dice" has anything to do with it. The signing team can readily ascertain where Karlsson is at, via his medicals and a physical.

Assuming he passes his medicals, it's not even an issue -- you sign the guy without hesitation.

However, I really doubt a player of this caliber will show interest in Montreal given the Habs's track record of being unable to sign elite-type UFAs in the past.

We signed Hamrlik, Cammalleri, Gionta, and Cole. Those were big contracts at the time. Did Gainey have an easier time signing ufa's because he had already built a winner in dallas and was perceived as someone who could win? Probably. But he also paid top dollar. That Cammalleri contract of 6 million on a 57 million cap as a percentage of the cap is 8.7 million against today's 83 million cap. The Hammerlik contract of 5.5 million agaist. a 50.3 million cap is like 9 million against today's cap

Is Bergevin prepared to offer 8.7 million to a Cammalleri level player?

Is he prepared to be the highest bidder for Erik Karlsson? If Cammalleri's worth 8.7 million over 5 years, and 33 year old Hammerlik is worth 9 million, what is 29 year old Karlsson worth? 12 million over 5 years?

If we're the highest bidder like Gainey was and stop putting fairly big money into depth players (like Alzner) I think we can attract ufas.

The Bruins gave Chara 7.5 million over a 39 million cap, which is 16 million against today's cap and he was the main piece in their cup win, imo.

We need to pay top dollar for top talent. The fact that these numbers seem high, but all were good signings, shows that the herd now are over paying mediocre players and underpaying top talent, imho.

So we can get ahead of the herd with what seem like shockingly big signings, but are actually smart moves if you want to build a winner.

 

[26Mats]

I believe it’s out there that he wants to come back to the east

Really? Crazy. I thought he would love sunny California and playing for a loaded contender with great management and ownership.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

My proposition:



- Petry




- Kapanen ( RFA, trade will happen only if he accepts his new contract with MTL)
- Gardiner ( UFA, Toronto re-sign Gardiner and immediately trade him to Montreal by adding a clause to the contract making it invalid if the player is not traded to a specific team (MTL) within 48 hours. )
- 3rd ( if salary is retained on Petry at 35-50%)



Kinda want this deal to work out IMO, what should be changed or add ?

 

[jaffy27]

Really? Crazy. I thought he would love sunny California and playing for a loaded contender with great management and ownership.

I heard it during a game, forget if it was the panel or what but he’s from Europe and his wife is from Ottawa so maybe they wanna stay closer to home......dunno

Guess we’ll find out soon enough

 

[26Mats]

My proposition:



- Petry




- Kapanen ( RFA, trade will happen only if he accepts his new contract with MTL)
- Gardiner ( UFA, Toronto re-sign Gardiner and immediately trade him to Montreal by adding a clause to the contract making it invalid if the player is not traded to a specific team (MTL) within 48 hours. )
- 3rd ( if salary is retained on Petry at 35-50%)



Kinda want this deal to work out IMO, what should be changed or add ?

If some say it's asking too much from the Leafs, I'd be willing to take on Marleau's contract as part of the deal. Would be great to add Kapanen to our young core.

Not so sure about Gardiner though. He's a little old to be constantly making rookie mistakes in big games.

 

[blarneylad]

My proposition:



- Petry




- Kapanen ( RFA, trade will happen only if he accepts his new contract with MTL)
- Gardiner ( UFA, Toronto re-sign Gardiner and immediately trade him to Montreal by adding a clause to the contract making it invalid if the player is not traded to a specific team (MTL) within 48 hours. )
- 3rd ( if salary is retained on Petry at 35-50%)



Kinda want this deal to work out IMO, what should be changed or add ?

Not trading Petry that is how I would change that.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

My proposition:



- Petry




- Kapanen ( RFA, trade will happen only if he accepts his new contract with MTL)
- Gardiner ( UFA, Toronto re-sign Gardiner and immediately trade him to Montreal by adding a clause to the contract making it invalid if the player is not traded to a specific team (MTL) within 48 hours. )
- 3rd ( if salary is retained on Petry at 35-50%)



Kinda want this deal to work out IMO, what should be changed or add ?

Disgusting. Toronto could keep their shitty -10 Game 7 playoff loser and Krapanen.

I'd much rather offer-sheet Marner.

 

[Tuggy]

f*** Jake Gardiner. Can't understand why people want him.

 

[sampollock]

**** Jake Gardiner. Can't understand why people want him.

Who cares about him,

Mb will try for Matt D
Or
Panairn

May not get but try

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd trade Juulsen, but as part of a package for something better than Kapanen

Juulsen and a 2nd for Callahan and Sergachev . Tampa needs to clear out cap space and need RD's. Sergachev is stuck behind Hedman and McDonagh for many years to come on the LD side. So if he can't play RD, they will seriously consider moving him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who cares about him,

Mb will try for Matt D
Or
Panairn

May not get but try

Add Skinner and Edler as well. A Skinner / Domi / Shaw line would be wicket!

My favorite moves if we can pull it off would be...
- Skinner for 7 years at $7.25M
- Edler for 2 years at $6M

Skinner / Domi / Shaw
Tatar / Danault / Gallagher
Drouin / Kotkaniemi / Armia
Lehkonen / Poehling / Byron
Thompson, Peca, Deslauriers, Weal

Mete / Weber
Edler / Petry
Kulak / Juulsen
Folin, Reilly

Price
Lindgren

 

[thegoalie39]

Juulsen and a 2nd for Callahan and Sergachev . Tampa needs to clear out cap space and need RD's. Sergachev is stuck behind Hedman and McDonagh for many years to come on the LD side. So if he can't play RD, they will seriously consider moving him.

Chances of Callahan waiving his nmc to come to Montreal right around ...Zero

 

[Habs Halifax]

Chances of Callahan waiving his nmc to come to Montreal right around ...Zero

Tend to agree but he has a 16 team trade list now though right? We might be on it.