Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread Part XII (Deadline Edition)

[Mrb1p]

Brodin

Benn Fleury 1st 2019

Plz no... thats terrible value.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Players that make over 1M don't need a increase in their QO. It just has to be at the same amount.

My mistake.

If it were me, Lehkonen, Armia, Benn, Deslauriers, Thompson, Kulak*, Reilly, Hudon, Peca and Niemi would all be available.

Kulak has played really well at times and average at times. Hard to tell if he's worth hanging on to, or not.

Most of the others are worthless.

 

[BaseballCoach]

My mistake.

If it were me, Lehkonen, Armia, Benn, Deslauriers, Thompson, Kulak*, Reilly, Hudon, Peca and Niemi would all be available.

Kulak has played really well at times and average at times. Hard to tell if he's worth hanging on to, or not.

Most of the others are worthless.

Anyone can be available for the right price.

The first three are not even close to worthless, and Deslauriers has value as an extra. Kulak and Reilly are NHL players. Thompson won't be here long. Someone please take Peca, Niemi and Alzner.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Anyone can be available for the right price.

The first three are not even close to worthless, and Deslauriers has value as an extra. Kulak and Reilly are NHL players. Thompson won't be here long. Someone please take Peca, Niemi and Alzner.

If Reilly, Deslauriers, Hudon, Niemi, Peca, or Thompson get us a pick we take it and run.

I'm sure dumbass will just acquire some crappy depth and none of the garbage reporters will ask why he didnt sell, nor ask why he didnt sell after missing the playoffs, or getting destroyed in the 1st round.

 

[Deebs]

My mistake.

If it were me, Lehkonen, Armia, Benn, Deslauriers, Thompson, Kulak*, Reilly, Hudon, Peca and Niemi would all be available.

Kulak has played really well at times and average at times. Hard to tell if he's worth hanging on to, or not.

Most of the others are worthless.

So say you do that and move all those guys. All we're getting back are middle round draft picks that will probably not be as good as the guys we're moving. Then we'll have to find guys in the offseason and pay free agency prices with no guarantee they'll offer anything more. Making moves just to do so isn't really needed imo. Make smart decisions instead of impulse moves.

 

[xNogaitx]

Anyone can be available for the right price.

The first three are not even close to worthless, and Deslauriers has value as an extra. Kulak and Reilly are NHL players. Thompson won't be here long. Someone please take Peca, Niemi and Alzner.

Reilly has little value. He's a 7th D. His highest value would be now at the TDL à la Morrow 2017. (A late 4th)

Benn is a decent #5D, his value is also the highest at the TDL. Could fetch an early 3rd + C prospect, or a late 2nd.

Deslauriers is unlikely to go anywhere.
Thompson just got acqujred and wins faceoffs so they'll keep him.

Hudon may get a 6th for a team wanting to take a flyer on him.

Kulak likely gets a 3rd, but I'd have to rhint they want to keep him to resign him as a 6th D for the next 2 years.

Niemi has no value. Same goes for Peca because of AAV.

Lehkonen isn't getting traded as a standalone, he would be part of a package.

They like Armia so he isn't going away.

So you trade Benn, Rielly, Hudon and you get:
2nd Rd pick
4th Rd pick
6th Rd pick

Unsure Bergevin's going to do that since he wants to make the playoffs.

 

[MtlSportsFan]

They are but these are the best prospects we’ve had in a long time and they’ve shown their value in ways other prospects you’ve mentioned never did. Brook and suzuki are tearing up the CHL and dominating. Poehling is a force in college and was named best forward in the WJHC. Romanov is an 18 y.o playing a regular role in the KHL was is almost unheard of and was named best defender at the WJHC. Primeau is among, if not the best goalie in US College hockey and win the beanpot two years in a row and was one of the main reasons.

Simply put, these are not Scherbak, McCarron, Beaulieu etc. who were all works in progress and never got close to going what our top 5 prospects have. We might have the best crop of prospects since the Patches, PK, Price era. You don’t simply toss prospects like that in for a trade.

I'll give you that this seems to be a better prospect pool then the one I mentioned (and I hope you are right), but some of that is only with hindsight. Knowing how bad the ones I mentioned turned out, but that was my point.

Also, if Primeau pans out that means Price is not around..so that doesn't make us better. If Romanov is that PMD it won't be next year and he won't be that impactful his rookie year, so Petry may not be around etc...etc..

I'm 53 and I remember the habs winning every year in my youth and I remember the last 2 cup wins as an adult. I want to see another Cup in my lifetime !!!! Tired of other teams "Swinging for the fences" while we say "Wait until these prospects pan out".

 

[waffledave]

As a UFA maybe. There is no reason to give up what Rangers will surely ask for in order to bring him in now at the deadline.

Ah yeah I thought he had another year left.

 

[Roadhouse]

I'll give you that this seems to be a better prospect pool then the one I mentioned (and I hope you are right), but some of that is only with hindsight. Knowing how bad the ones I mentioned turned out, but that was my point.

Also, if Primeau pans out that means Price is not around..so that doesn't make us better. If Romanov is that PMD it won't be next year and he won't be that impactful his rookie year, so Petry may not be around etc...etc..

I'm 53 and I remember the habs winning every year in my youth and I remember the last 2 cup wins as an adult. I want to see another Cup in my lifetime !!!! Tired of other teams "Swinging for the fences" while we say "Wait until these prospects pan out".

I think the wait looks like 5-6 years absolute minimum at this point.

Are people here banking their hopes on Bergevin landing a significant UFA or two in order to win in the next 4-5 years while Price & Weber are still effective, or is the majority content with hopes to contend beginning in 2024-25 when all or most of Kotkaniemi, Brook, Romanov, Poehling, Suzuki, Primeau, Ylonen, Fleury, Juulsen (?), Ikonen (?), 2019 early round picks and maybe Fonstad will have reached their potential? The latter involves Domi & Drouin making big money and no Price in net, not to mention all the question marks surrounding each player's ability to consistently play at a high level..... are we sold on Primeau as a #1? I guess we kind of have to, if we think we have no chance of winning the cup given some of the contenders around for the next 4-5 years.

I don't think the team can do both.

Trying to win in the next 4-5 years would severely affect their ability to win from 2024-25 onwards due to picks & prospects leaving for roster players. It's one or the other - the rollercoaster ride with a brick wall at the end, or the 5 to ~10 year wait time that involves everyone panning out and thus opening a cup window (even the most patient fans may find it a long way to go).

What's the plan?

 

[psychonaut]

The moved need to be done this summer with a top forward coming in as a UFA, there are allot this summer and we have a boatload of cap space. Then you trade for the top 4 dmen on the left.

 

[Guy Larose]

I'll give you that this seems to be a better prospect pool then the one I mentioned (and I hope you are right), but some of that is only with hindsight. Knowing how bad the ones I mentioned turned out, but that was my point.

Also, if Primeau pans out that means Price is not around..so that doesn't make us better. If Romanov is that PMD it won't be next year and he won't be that impactful his rookie year, so Petry may not be around etc...etc..

I'm 53 and I remember the habs winning every year in my youth and I remember the last 2 cup wins as an adult. I want to see another Cup in my lifetime !!!! Tired of other teams "Swinging for the fences" while we say "Wait until these prospects pan out".

I remember when Ghetto was a gem, McCarron the next Power forward, Beaulieu was untouchable, etc. We make too big a deal with some of these prospects. Fact of the matter is, more than 50%, if you're lucky, don't pan out.

 

[WinterLion]

TRADE THEM ALL!!! BUNCHA BUMMS!!

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I remember when Ghetto was a gem, McCarron the next Power forward, Beaulieu was untouchable, etc. We make too big a deal with some of these prospects. Fact of the matter is, more than 50%, if you're lucky, don't pan out.

Not many had Ghetto as a gem or McCarron as anything more than a middle-6 forward. I get what you’re saying though.

That said, this is easily the strongest our prospect pool has been since 2007-2008.

 

[MtlSportsFan]

Simmonds is a disaster waiting to happen

Agreed, he's 30, his numbers are declining, never had a lot of foot speed with the game getting quicker and the miles on him are HARD miles...
Big guys like him, playing his game don't age well in their 30's. Would have LOVED to have him 3-4 years ago.

 

[WinterLion]

I remember when Ghetto was a gem, McCarron the next Power forward, Beaulieu was untouchable, etc. We make too big a deal with some of these prospects. Fact of the matter is, more than 50%, if you're lucky, don't pan out.

Yeah me too. When Patches was a 3rd liner at best, Subban was a PP specialist, Gallangher was a longshot... etc..

 

[Habs Icing]

I remember when Ghetto was a gem, McCarron the next Power forward, Beaulieu was untouchable, etc. We make too big a deal with some of these prospects. Fact of the matter is, more than 50%, if you're lucky, don't pan out.

Which should be a warning to be careful when trading away players that are already in the NHL.

I'm not directing this post at you. You made a very valid point. At the very best half of your picks make it. (More like a third or a quarter but lets's go with your half).

If you trade players from your roster that means at the very best half of the picks you get will turn into NHLers. Only on HF is 50% > 100%.

For those wanting to trade Armia, Lehkonen, Benn et al, you need to be careful. I'm not against trading them if you have a more than adequate replacement. But we don't. Trade them when you have prospects who can move up.

 

[MtlSportsFan]

I'd be fine with Habs missing by 2 points. Means they are in the lottery. If they win it, a top 3 pick this year would be HUGE compared to losing in 4 to the Lightning. And if they miss by 2 points it means they are not good enough to compete in the PO anyway.

Your thinking is always short term. I want Habs to contend for the cup for years.

This is the huge split on this board. Has been for years. I'll never convince you otherwise and you'll keep accepting first round exits.

Have you seen Habs win a cup over ten years old? I can tell you, there is nothing sweeter. Best thing in the world.

There is def a split on the board on whether we should be active to make the team better or wait for the prospects. I think the best teams drafted well AND made the right moves, picks for established players. I don't like waiting for the lottery to help us.

But have the habs ever really "Gone for it" ? Vanek has been the only time I can recall when we made a deal to really improve the team to try and go farther in the playoffs. OK, he didn't pan out so well, but we made it to the conference final and what did it cost ? Sebastien Colberg and a 2nd (trying to figure out who that became, hope it was't anyone great and blows up my argument )

 

[Guy Larose]

There is def a split on the board on whether we should be active to make the team better or wait for the prospects. I think the best teams drafted well AND made the right moves, picks for established players. I don't like waiting for the lottery to help us.

But have the habs ever really "Gone for it" ? Vanek has been the only time I can recall when we made a deal to really improve the team to try and go farther in the playoffs. OK, he didn't pan out so well, but we made it to the conference final and what did it cost ? Sebastien Colberg and a 2nd (trying to figure out who that became, hope it was't anyone great and blows up my argument )

Since MB has been the GM he's been advocating build through the draft and it's been 7 years. If you make a lineup of all the Habs draftees in the past 10 or even 20 years, you can't make a winning roster.

 

[26Mats]

So you wanted to argue about semantics? We are in the same stratosphere but not the same level?
We aren't on par...but they're 8th..we are 10th....Not that I'm looking at the standings though..but not on par. Just saying, few points separate us, hmm, but ya...not saying we are on par...
So wtf are you saying mate. You can get to it, or cry that Kriss E is an arrogant bully.

Not a bully, a jacka**

You're charlie Zelenoff 2.0

 

[26Mats]

At this point, unless there's a magical deal available to get a LD in a good hockey trade (which will necessarily mean giving up some of the future), I say do whatever you can to try to get Reilly and Kulak playing with a high confidence level come playoff time. Mete is cool under pressure. Benn will give you what he's going to give you if he stays within is game. But these two guys need to be playing with unshakable confidence come playoff time.

How do you do that? Let them play through their mistakes. Tell them it was a learning mistake when they make. Tell them we need them come playoff time so this is the time to get the mistakes out of their system, to learn what to do and what not to do. They will either be the weak links or be supports in their roles come playoff time.

 

[Bieber fever]

I would be ok with the status quo this TDL

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I’d accept Marleau and Callahan in off season if the teams were willing to pay a premium to force us to take them.

If they have a decent year with us I’d then trade them at next years TDL along with weise for more picks.

The year after I’d start pushing to go all in since our recent prospects will be on cusp and we will have quite a few prospects to work with.

 

[Milhouse40]

There is def a split on the board on whether we should be active to make the team better or wait for the prospects. I think the best teams drafted well AND made the right moves, picks for established players. I don't like waiting for the lottery to help us.

But have the habs ever really "Gone for it" ? Vanek has been the only time I can recall when we made a deal to really improve the team to try and go farther in the playoffs. OK, he didn't pan out so well, but we made it to the conference final and what did it cost ? Sebastien Colberg and a 2nd (trying to figure out who that became, hope it was't anyone great and blows up my argument )

That pick turned out to be.....Johnathan MacLeod
Your argument is safe

 

[Sterling Archer]

Package of Kreider and Skjei would be epic!

 

[1909]

I watched Fowler play yesterday nite vs Oilers. That's the guy we need to play with Weber !