Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency VII - 2014 Offseason Edition II

[melinko]

It doesn't make sense, why not just have some system that requires teams that are pulling out players early pay a transfer fee or something.

CHL gets their money and players get their development.

The entirety of the CHL represents everything that is wrong with "amateur" hockey.

Is it not almost the exact definition of a cartel?

 

[nickschultzfan]

Maybe we will. And I fully agree with shattering the CHL agreement.

The Powers That Be would rather the NHL go down than have the CHL be destroyed.

 

[FVM]

Most interesting thing to me was how Parise said that Minnesota players now look at the Wild as a great potential free agent location. I'm not Minnesota, don't care about having more Gophers on the roster, but this is a great development.

Fletcher's model of making Minnesota a great team for Minnesotans, Americans in general, Fins, and Sweds is a successful strategy.

Exactly. We have become a destination for many player demographics which gives us a great competitive advantage in the coming years when we can't get talent from high draft picks.

 

[Bookman]

The Powers That Be would rather the NHL go down than have the CHL be destroyed.

Yet somehow the NCAA is low-hanging fruit.

 

[Puhis]

Exactly. We have become a destination for many player demographics which gives us a great competitive advantage in the coming years when we can't get talent from high draft picks.

Yep. Michael Keränen being just one example of talent acquired without spending assets or overpaying, and Fletcher & Co. have done a really good job of acquiring young players with upside such as Nino and Spurgeon.

 

[ThatGuy22]

PAP and a 5th for Brierre? I wish Fletcher would get these memo's when teams are trading good players for ****** ones.

 

[WILDTATE10]

PAP and a 5th for Brierre? I wish Fletcher would get these memo's when teams are trading good players for ****** ones.

i guess i dont really see the use for either of those guys

 

[ThatGuy22]

i guess i dont really see the use for either of those guys

PAP scores at a decent clip, and could have been a useful RW candidate for a 2/3rd line spot. Drives possession. He's a pretty solid player that got traded for a 36 year old washed up 4th liner.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Given both of their cap hits. Neither are really worth it.

 

[borisbadenough]

Never really go here but a well written article

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tony...-MNWild-before-Free-Agency-July-1st/189/61035

 

[Victorious Secret]

Surprisingly good.

 

[Sharppi]

That was a surprisingly good article.

And jesus **** Puhis change that avatar

 

[Puhis]

That was a surprisingly good article.

And jesus **** Puhis change that avatar

Yeah, that was a decent read. It did feel like Tony pulled some ideas from here though.

And why? I think it suits me.

 

[DANOZ28]

ok you forced me to run the cap#'s next summer. lets say only 12 forwards parise 7.5; koivu 6.75; pom 5.6; cooke 2.5; coyle 3; granlund 4; haula 2.5; nino 3; fonzy 1.5; zucker 1.5; ***vanek 6; brodz replacement 1; thats 45 mill! next 8 D suter 7.5; spur 2.6; brodin 3; scanny 2; folin 1; blum 1; prosser 1; dumba 1. thats about 19 mill then add 2 goalies 5.5 mill for a total aprox 69.5 mill and maybe the cap is bumped up to 73 mill. how do you add niskanen 6? (extra 5) that may be ruff math but you get my point. who do you subtract to make the #'s work?

 

[Sharppi]

I have really been wondering about getting Yakupov from Oilers. Would be great. I know, he's Russian, he's flamboyant, he's not defensively responsibly yadda yadda yadda but seriously, that you can teach. I'm strongly considering about giving Coyle and a pick for Yak. I don't know if Oil would do it, but I think that's a trade that would benefit both teams A LOT.

But then again, I ****ing love Coyle. I don't know, I don't want to let him go. In the optimal world, we could pry Yak from Oil with some of our depth pieces like Brodziak, Zucker, Fontaine/Blum and a pick. Maybe even some of our defenders.

I don't know, do you guys think there's a base for that trade available?

 

[Sharppi]

Yeah, that was a decent read. It did feel like Tony pulled some ideas from here though.

And why? I think it suits me.

It makes me feel uneasy. I liked your racing avatars more. Sport some Keke-stache.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

ok you forced me to run the cap#'s next summer. lets say only 12 forwards parise 7.5; koivu 6.75; pom 5.6; cooke 2.5; coyle 3; granlund 4; haula 2.5; nino 3; fonzy 1.5; zucker 1.5; ***vanek 6; brodz replacement 1; thats 45 mill! next 8 D suter 7.5; spur 2.6; brodin 3; scanny 2; folin 1; blum 1; prosser 1; dumba 1. thats about 19 mill then add 2 goalies 5.5 mill for a total aprox 69.5 mill and maybe the cap is bumped up to 73 mill. how do you add niskanen 6? (extra 5) that may be ruff math but you get my point. who do you subtract to make the #'s work?

Well, adding Niskanen would give you 9 defensemen so you'd get rid of two of the ones making $1m each, so there's $2m freed up. But you're right. Signing both Vanek and Niskanen to $6m deals would be very, very tight financially.

 

[Puhis]

It makes me feel uneasy. I liked your racing avatars more. Sport some Keke-stache.

Oooh, I see. It's contagious.


...There's some Keke, then. I guess I'll go back to Spurgeon when the season starts.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'm not a big fan of bring in Vanek because as it stands:

Coyle - Koivu - Parise
el Nino - Granlund - Pominville

Should be our lines next year. Coyle needs the time to develop his offense and so does el Nino. Knocking one of them down to third line isn't going to help them at all.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I have really been wondering about getting Yakupov from Oilers. Would be great. I know, he's Russian, he's flamboyant, he's not defensively responsibly yadda yadda yadda but seriously, that you can teach. I'm strongly considering about giving Coyle and a pick for Yak. I don't know if Oil would do it, but I think that's a trade that would benefit both teams A LOT.

But then again, I ****ing love Coyle. I don't know, I don't want to let him go. In the optimal world, we could pry Yak from Oil with some of our depth pieces like Brodziak, Zucker, Fontaine/Blum and a pick. Maybe even some of our defenders.

I don't know, do you guys think there's a base for that trade available?

i don't think the pieces in bold would do it.

I imagine if the Oilers decided to trade him, and Fletcher wanted him the Wild do have the pieces to get it done. I don't think many Wild fans would like the end cost though.

 

[MuckOG]

I'm not a big fan of bring in Vanek because as it stands:

Coyle - Koivu - Parise
el Nino - Granlund - Pominville

Should be our lines next year. Coyle needs the time to develop his offense and so does el Nino. Knocking one of them down to third line isn't going to help them at all.

On opening night one of them might be knocked down to 3rd line...but there is no way that this roster will go the entire season without injury. Adding Vanek is adding SORELY needed scoring depth. The Wild are in "win now" mode, not "win two years from now". We can't simply sit on our heals and hope that Nino and Coyle will suddenly turn into a 30 goal scorer. They may eventually, and they can still develop playing on the 3rd line depending how Yeo sets it up for them.

 

[Ban Hammered]

I will never understand someone saying that putting one of Coyle or Nino on the 3rd line is somehow going to screw them up developmentally. The 3rd line doesn't have to be a prototypical 3rd line, It can be a scoring type with the right players and that is not a bad thing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

On opening night one of them might be knocked down to 3rd line...but there is no way that this roster will go the entire season without injury. Adding Vanek is adding SORELY needed scoring depth. The Wild are in "win now" mode, not "win two years from now". We can't simply sit on our heals and hope that Nino and Coyle will suddenly turn into a 30 goal scorer. They may eventually, and they can still develop playing on the 3rd line depending how Yeo sets it up for them.

I severely hope that we are in both, as well as three years from now, four, five, etc...

 

[thestonedkoala]

On opening night one of them might be knocked down to 3rd line...but there is no way that this roster will go the entire season without injury. Adding Vanek is adding SORELY needed scoring depth. The Wild are in "win now" mode, not "win two years from now". We can't simply sit on our heals and hope that Nino and Coyle will suddenly turn into a 30 goal scorer. They may eventually, and they can still develop playing on the 3rd line depending how Yeo sets it up for them.

We need patience with Coyle and Nino. They are power forwards with minimal time in the AHL. They need to be with skilled players like Granlund, Parise, Pominville and Koivu. Haula is a good center but I'm not certain about Cooke. It won't do them any good if they are playing with offensively limited guys like Brodziak, McCormick, Veilleux and whoever else they decide to throw on the bottom 6.

 

[TZM]

It's a good thing Coyle doesn't get top 6 minutes when he doesn't deserve them.