Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk XLIV

[Bazeek]

Isn't their a chance Casey M become available? Buffalo isn't going to want to pay hin

With what's going on with Eichel and Reinhart I'd think the chances of moving Mittelstadt are about 0, but who knows?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Cole should only be re-signed to any kind of money if Soucy is taken by Seattle. Otherwise it’s league minimum time.

 

[P10p]

How can one ignore his previous 400+ odd games in the NHL when he played wing for 90% of the time, and focus on his last 20 games, when he was playing C because the top two C's were out of the lineup? The guy has played RW in the vast majority of his time in the NHL - I would assume because that's where he is best. Nylander averages twice as many FO's per game as Reinhart, and most consider him a stretch at C.

Reinhart has 7 years under his belt in the NHL. He is not a kid. He is what he is. A good top 6 RW.

No one in the debate is ignoring anything other than you ignoring that we have a glaring hole at center and Reinhart has potential to remedy that. We all know he has spent much of his career at wing. But if you're as starved for a top 6 center as we are, you explore all possibilities. What you don't do is argue it with career faceoffs when he is 25 years old. He has 6 years, not 7 years in the NHL by the way.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How can one ignore his previous 400+ odd games in the NHL when he played wing for 90% of the time, and focus on his last 20 games, when he was playing C because the top two C's were out of the lineup? The guy has played RW in the vast majority of his time in the NHL - I would assume because that's where he is best. Nylander averages twice as many FO's per game as Reinhart, and most consider him a stretch at C.

Reinhart has 7 years under his belt in the NHL. He is not a kid. He is what he is. A good top 6 RW.

And Boudreau assumed for a long time that Parise was a better OT player than Fiala.

 

[57special]

No one in the debate is ignoring anything other than you ignoring that we have a glaring hole at center and Reinhart has potential to remedy that. We all know he has spent much of his career at wing. But if you're as starved for a top 6 center as we are, you explore all possibilities. What you don't do is argue it with career faceoffs when he is 25 years old. He has 6 years, not 7 years in the NHL by the way.

Ignoring a players preferred position is what led to Guerin making a trade for MoJo. If you are willing to ignore virtually all of Reinhart's NHL career, and pretend that he will be a top 6C going forward, then you are a more optimistic guy than I am.

The other thing about Reinhart is that he will be somewhat expensive to get, and expensive to retain. I am guessing that he will want around 6.5-7M long term if he has a good year while playing C(say 50-55 pts.). That's a lot to pay for a #2C.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Isn't their a chance Casey M become available? Buffalo isn't going to want to pay hin

They won't have to. He's not going to cost over 1 million aav. Probably closer to 800k

 

[P10p]

Ignoring a players preferred position is what led to Guerin making a trade for MoJo. If you are willing to ignore virtually all of Reinhart's NHL career, and pretend that he will be a top 6C going forward, then you are a more optimistic guy than I am.

The other thing about Reinhart is that he will be somewhat expensive to get, and expensive to retain. I am guessing that he will want around 6.5-7M long term if he has a good year while playing C(say 50-55 pts.). That's a lot to pay for a #2C.

Reinhart has said his preferred position is Center, he played center his whole junior career as a center, and he was drafted as a center. But sure, lets trust in Buffalo management.

 

[2Pair]

Reinhart's first three years in Buffalo their top 6 centers were Eichel and O'Reilly. It's not hard to see why he started his career on the wing. Thinking that he's locked into being a wing for good now because of that, is ridiculous.

 

[Bazeek]

Target rich environment.`

Edit: After catching up on Patrick a little... maybe not so much.

 

[GuerinUp]

Speaking so factually about something that is highly objective is being small minded. He has been more than a serviceable center this season, He is very young and still developing as a player. This would not be the first time a player started his career on wing and moved to center as he learned.

which is the exact same thing johansson did... thinking situations are different are turning a blind eye. Johansson much like reinhart was drafted as a center, moved to wing, then back to center. now johansson is back at wing, thinking the same couldnt happen to reinhart is pure ignorance.

 

[GuerinUp]

Reinhart's first three years in Buffalo their top 6 centers were Eichel and O'Reilly. It's not hard to see why he started his career on the wing. Thinking that he's locked into being a wing for good now because of that, is ridiculous.

reinhart is older than eichel.... his first year eichel wasnt even on the roster.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

reinhart is older than eichel.... his first year eichel wasnt even on the roster.

His first “year” was a 9 game tryout. His first full season, both were on roster.

 

[2Pair]

reinhart is older than eichel.... his first year eichel wasnt even on the roster.

If only there was a way to fact check your statements before making them

 

[grN1g]

I think we have a good shot at RNH if he tests market. I'd expect we could reach a reasonable deal too as I bet he just wants to win consistently at this point.

Suter and RNH I believe I read a few years back got along with eachother talking and hanging on the bus for Allstars game??? Idk. Tin foil hat on.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

assuming the whole Eichel thing is unrealistic, Reinhart would be my number one target for the summer. Right-shot guy who was over a ppg this season while playing center.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kap 8ish
Fiala 7ish
Zucc 6 (for now)
Reinhart 6-7ish?
Boldy 2 years until bump
Rossi 3 years until bump

It’s a lot.

 

[MNNumbers]

Kap 8ish
Fiala 7ish
Zucc 6 (for now)
Reinhart 6-7ish?
Boldy 2 years until bump
Rossi 3 years until bump

It’s a lot.

What's the trade for Reinhart? If it's Dumba, that helps the cap space. Then you lose either Soucy or Greenway or Foligno is the ED, and that helps just a little as well. You can buy out Zuccarello's last year if you need space for the young guys, and it saves you 4M, at the cost of 2M the year after.

There are ways, but it ends up being a very detailed plan going forward.

 

[P10p]

which is the exact same thing johansson did... thinking situations are different are turning a blind eye. Johansson much like reinhart was drafted as a center, moved to wing, then back to center. now johansson is back at wing, thinking the same couldnt happen to reinhart is pure ignorance.

No one is saying it can't happen. Obviously it can happen. There is risk everywhere in hockey. Projecting Johansson' situation onto other players can lead to you missing out. Its not a sure thing one way or another, yet you're acting as though it is.

 

[Bazeek]

Dylan Strome continues to be on the radar as well. Rough year with a concussion and some healthy scratches, but he's got another year at $3.1m and will still be an RFA. Seems like a decent target if you want to keep the acquisition cost low and think he can regain some confidence between a good pair of wingers.

 

[57special]

Dylan Strome continues to be on the radar as well. Rough year with a concussion and some healthy scratches, but he's got another year at $3.1m and will still be an RFA. Seems like a decent target if you want to keep the acquisition cost low and think he can regain some confidence between a good pair of wingers.

I could get behind this choice as an alternative plan. I still think he has upside, whereas I have no such hopes for guys like Rask, Bjugstad, and Bonino. I would imagine he would be an inexpensive acquisition? With really good defensive C's like JEE and Sturm, we can afford to gamble on offensive upside when it comes to a C. Would CHI consider a straight trade for Rask, or is that crazy talk?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The first box to check is: are they better than Rask and/or Hartman?

 

[nickschultzfan]

I do not recall seeing so many centers on the market in a summer. Eichel, Reinhart, RNH, Danault, Monahan, Nolan Patrick, both Stromes, maybe Barkov.

Time to clear the decks of cap space to be in a position to get one of those guys. Get Parise to Seattle despite the cost to do so. It is the right move.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

I do not recall seeing so many centers on the market in a summer. Eichel, Reinhart, RNH, Danault, Monahan, Nolan Patrick, both Stromes, maybe Barkov.

Time to clear the decks of cap space to be in a position to get one of those guys. Get Parise to Seattle despite the cost to do so. It is the right move.

Why would parise help wild

He has no reason to waive for rebuilding team, or leave his wife / kids

It's a 2 way street. It's not realistic. Parise, & his agent being pissed at wild is not going to lend any credence to him waiving, & accepting a trade

 

[keppel146]

I do not recall seeing so many centers on the market in a summer. Eichel, Reinhart, RNH, Danault, Monahan, Nolan Patrick, both Stromes, maybe Barkov.

Time to clear the decks of cap space to be in a position to get one of those guys. Get Parise to Seattle despite the cost to do so. It is the right move.

I just cannot see parise on this team next year after how things ended this season.

I’m late on the podcasts, but BG said he has no idea what will happen with Mennell. He sounded honest the way he said it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why would parise help wild

He has no reason to waive for rebuilding team, or leave his wife / kids

It's a 2 way street. It's not realistic. Parise, & his agent being pissed at wild is not going to lend any credence to him waiving, & accepting a trade

So he’s going to be so mad at the team that he refuses to leave it? And live out the last 4 years of his pro hockey career as a healthy scratch?