Pre-Game Talk: Toronto in Vegas. November 19th 2019 - 10pm

[Ciao]

Hey changes. A few months late.

The tweet is gone.

What was the change, and who reported it?

 

[IPS]

I hope Dubas doesn’’t cut the cord on Babs immediately. A lot of this falls on players not playing to their abilities, showing zero heart, and basically skating around to collect a paycheque. It’s embarrassing for them the most.

Dubas needs to send the message, loud and clear, that the inmates don’t run the asylum. These guys haven’t earned ****. They need to start playing with some pride, and to a level near their salaries. Firing the coach, when a team is playing the way our’s is, doesn’t solve your problem. At some point, you have to hold the guys on the ice accountable.

It can and it has. Ask St. Louis and Pittsburgh.

You invested your faith in the wrong coach.

 

[al secord]

"Good times, for a change...."

 

[Once]

What were the D pairs?

Rielly - Ceci
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Barrie

 

[Thread The Needle]

My first Leafs game ever! Hope it brings them luck!

 

[fahad203]

I just looked at Vegas's line up
Only one player is 6'0 feet and under. 1 player. And he's pretty good player

Even their goalies are bigger than our forwards.

Ryan Reaves, Carrier, Glass and Eakin are going to have a field day now that they can match up lines

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
71	William Karlsson	C	22	8	15	23	12	7	1993-01-08	26	Marsta, Sweden	6.00	195
67	Max Pacioretty	L	22	8	12	20	13	1	1988-11-20	30	New Canaan, CT	6.02	215
61	Mark Stone	R	22	9	10	19	11	-5	1992-05-13	27	Winnipeg, MAN	6.03	202
19	Reilly Smith	R	22	10	7	17	4	7	1991-04-01	28	Mimico, ONT	6.01	183
81	Jonathan Marchessault	C	22	5	10	15	8	-5	1990-12-27	28	Cap-Rouge, PQ	5.09	180
26	Paul Stastny	C	22	6	4	10	12	-7	1985-12-27	33	Quebec, PQ	6.00	193
27	Shea Theodore	D	22	1	8	9	6	-2	1995-08-03	24	Langley, BC	6.02	195
88	Nate Schmidt	D	10	2	5	7	2	0	1991-07-16	28	St. Cloud, MN	6.01	194
9	Cody Glass	C	22	3	4	7	4	-4	1999-04-01	20	Winnipeg, MAN	6.02	192
21	Cody Eakin	C	18	1	4	5	8	-5	1991-05-24	28	Winnipeg, MAN	6.00	183
28	William Carrier	L	22	3	2	5	14	-2	1994-12-20	24	Montreal, PQ	6.02	212
92	Tomas Nosek	L	19	3	1	4	8	-1	1992-09-01	27	Pardubice, Czech Rep.	6.02	205
22	Nick Holden	D	21	2	2	4	4	-6	1987-05-15	32	St. Albert, ALTA	6.04	212
3	Brayden McNabb	D	22	1	3	4	26	4	1991-01-21	28	Davidson, SASK	6.04	213
10	Nicolas Roy	C	6	1	2	3	4	1	1997-02-05	22	Amos, PQ	6.04	200
14	Nicolas Hague	D	14	0	3	3	16	3	1998-12-05	20	Kitchener, ONT	6.06	221
75	Ryan Reaves	R	22	2	1	3	16	-3	1987-01-20	32	Winnipeg, MAN	6.01	225
89	Alex Tuch	R	5	1	1	2	0	-2	1996-05-10	23	Syracuse, NY	6.04	220
7	Valentin Zykov	L	7	0	2	2	2	-1	1995-05-15	24	St. Petersburg, Russia	6.00	220
5	Deryk Engelland	D	18	0	2	2	18	0	1982-04-03	37	Edmonton, ALTA	6.02	212
15	Jon Merrill	D	21	0	2	2	16	-3	1992-02-03	27	Oklahoma City, OK	6.03	195
73	Brandon Pirri	C	11	0	1	1	6	-3	1991-04-10	28	Toronto, ONT	6.01	180
40	Garret Sparks	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1993-06-28	26	Elmhurst, IL	6.03	201
35	Oscar Dansk	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1994-02-28	25	Stockholm, Sweden	6.03	195
45	Jake Bischoff	D	4	0	0	0	4	-2	1994-07-25	25	Cambridge, MN	6.01	194
30	Malcolm Subban	G	5	0	0	0	0	0	1993-12-21	25	Toronto, ONT	6.02	215
29	Marc-Andre Fleury	G	17	0	0	0	2	0	1984-11-28	34	Sorel, PQ	6.02	185

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[FlareKnight]

I suppose one nice thing is that a win is possible here. Vegas hasn’t been great so anything is possible. I’m hardly optimistic here. But just be nice to see some life from this team.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I just looked at Vegas's line up
Only one player is 6'0 feet and under. 1 player. And he's pretty good player

Even their goalies are bigger than our forwards.

Ryan Reaves, Carrier, Glass and Eakin are going to have a field day now that they can match up lines

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
71	William Karlsson	C	22	8	15	23	12	7	1993-01-08	26	Marsta, Sweden	6.00	195
67	Max Pacioretty	L	22	8	12	20	13	1	1988-11-20	30	New Canaan, CT	6.02	215
61	Mark Stone	R	22	9	10	19	11	-5	1992-05-13	27	Winnipeg, MAN	6.03	202
19	Reilly Smith	R	22	10	7	17	4	7	1991-04-01	28	Mimico, ONT	6.01	183
81	Jonathan Marchessault	C	22	5	10	15	8	-5	1990-12-27	28	Cap-Rouge, PQ	5.09	180
26	Paul Stastny	C	22	6	4	10	12	-7	1985-12-27	33	Quebec, PQ	6.00	193
27	Shea Theodore	D	22	1	8	9	6	-2	1995-08-03	24	Langley, BC	6.02	195
88	Nate Schmidt	D	10	2	5	7	2	0	1991-07-16	28	St. Cloud, MN	6.01	194
9	Cody Glass	C	22	3	4	7	4	-4	1999-04-01	20	Winnipeg, MAN	6.02	192
21	Cody Eakin	C	18	1	4	5	8	-5	1991-05-24	28	Winnipeg, MAN	6.00	183
28	William Carrier	L	22	3	2	5	14	-2	1994-12-20	24	Montreal, PQ	6.02	212
92	Tomas Nosek	L	19	3	1	4	8	-1	1992-09-01	27	Pardubice, Czech Rep.	6.02	205
22	Nick Holden	D	21	2	2	4	4	-6	1987-05-15	32	St. Albert, ALTA	6.04	212
3	Brayden McNabb	D	22	1	3	4	26	4	1991-01-21	28	Davidson, SASK	6.04	213
10	Nicolas Roy	C	6	1	2	3	4	1	1997-02-05	22	Amos, PQ	6.04	200
14	Nicolas Hague	D	14	0	3	3	16	3	1998-12-05	20	Kitchener, ONT	6.06	221
75	Ryan Reaves	R	22	2	1	3	16	-3	1987-01-20	32	Winnipeg, MAN	6.01	225
89	Alex Tuch	R	5	1	1	2	0	-2	1996-05-10	23	Syracuse, NY	6.04	220
7	Valentin Zykov	L	7	0	2	2	2	-1	1995-05-15	24	St. Petersburg, Russia	6.00	220
5	Deryk Engelland	D	18	0	2	2	18	0	1982-04-03	37	Edmonton, ALTA	6.02	212
15	Jon Merrill	D	21	0	2	2	16	-3	1992-02-03	27	Oklahoma City, OK	6.03	195
73	Brandon Pirri	C	11	0	1	1	6	-3	1991-04-10	28	Toronto, ONT	6.01	180
40	Garret Sparks	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1993-06-28	26	Elmhurst, IL	6.03	201
35	Oscar Dansk	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1994-02-28	25	Stockholm, Sweden	6.03	195
45	Jake Bischoff	D	4	0	0	0	4	-2	1994-07-25	25	Cambridge, MN	6.01	194
30	Malcolm Subban	G	5	0	0	0	0	0	1993-12-21	25	Toronto, ONT	6.02	215
29	Marc-Andre Fleury	G	17	0	0	0	2	0	1984-11-28	34	Sorel, PQ	6.02	185

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies are usually taller than skaters, so that's nothing new. Also, did you really list Cody Glass as a tough guy? Even Eakin is weird, but Cody Glass in the same sentence as Reaves and Carrier is hilarious

 

[OVO16]

My god are the Capitals fun to watch. What a team. Fast, Physical, Skilled, sticking up for one another...

I bet Dubas watches Capitals games and gets sick to his stomach.

"Needs more smurfs"..."Too much body contact'

 

[fahad203]

Goalies are usually taller than skaters, so that's nothing new. Also, did you really list Cody Glass as a tough guy? Even Eakin is weird, but Cody Glass in the same sentence as Reaves and Carrier is hilarious

Cody Glass and Eakins both use their size. They play their roles well. I never insisted they were tough

 

[fahad203]

My god are the Capitals fun to watch. What a team. Fast, Physical, Skilled, sticking up for one another...

I bet Dubas watches Capitals games and gets sick to his stomach.

"Needs more smurfs"..."Too much body contact'

Last year's draft. Everyone of the players he drafted is 5'11 and under. 3 of them are 5'9. Some of those heights are generous. They are actually shorter.
He's setting up this team to be smurfs and soft for years to come

Excel projections tells him so

 

[Marshy]

HDMH?

 

[sxvnert]

Babs should load up the top line.

Matthews Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Petan Kapanen
Johnsson Spezza Hyman
Engvall Goat Shore

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

The tweet is gone.

What was the change, and who reported it?

Not sure who reported it but Holl and Barrie switched partners.

 

[Coachcorner]

I just looked at Vegas's line up
Only one player is 6'0 feet and under. 1 player. And he's pretty good player

Even their goalies are bigger than our forwards.

Ryan Reaves, Carrier, Glass and Eakin are going to have a field day now that they can match up lines

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
71	William Karlsson	C	22	8	15	23	12	7	1993-01-08	26	Marsta, Sweden	6.00	195
67	Max Pacioretty	L	22	8	12	20	13	1	1988-11-20	30	New Canaan, CT	6.02	215
61	Mark Stone	R	22	9	10	19	11	-5	1992-05-13	27	Winnipeg, MAN	6.03	202
19	Reilly Smith	R	22	10	7	17	4	7	1991-04-01	28	Mimico, ONT	6.01	183
81	Jonathan Marchessault	C	22	5	10	15	8	-5	1990-12-27	28	Cap-Rouge, PQ	5.09	180
26	Paul Stastny	C	22	6	4	10	12	-7	1985-12-27	33	Quebec, PQ	6.00	193
27	Shea Theodore	D	22	1	8	9	6	-2	1995-08-03	24	Langley, BC	6.02	195
88	Nate Schmidt	D	10	2	5	7	2	0	1991-07-16	28	St. Cloud, MN	6.01	194
9	Cody Glass	C	22	3	4	7	4	-4	1999-04-01	20	Winnipeg, MAN	6.02	192
21	Cody Eakin	C	18	1	4	5	8	-5	1991-05-24	28	Winnipeg, MAN	6.00	183
28	William Carrier	L	22	3	2	5	14	-2	1994-12-20	24	Montreal, PQ	6.02	212
92	Tomas Nosek	L	19	3	1	4	8	-1	1992-09-01	27	Pardubice, Czech Rep.	6.02	205
22	Nick Holden	D	21	2	2	4	4	-6	1987-05-15	32	St. Albert, ALTA	6.04	212
3	Brayden McNabb	D	22	1	3	4	26	4	1991-01-21	28	Davidson, SASK	6.04	213
10	Nicolas Roy	C	6	1	2	3	4	1	1997-02-05	22	Amos, PQ	6.04	200
14	Nicolas Hague	D	14	0	3	3	16	3	1998-12-05	20	Kitchener, ONT	6.06	221
75	Ryan Reaves	R	22	2	1	3	16	-3	1987-01-20	32	Winnipeg, MAN	6.01	225
89	Alex Tuch	R	5	1	1	2	0	-2	1996-05-10	23	Syracuse, NY	6.04	220
7	Valentin Zykov	L	7	0	2	2	2	-1	1995-05-15	24	St. Petersburg, Russia	6.00	220
5	Deryk Engelland	D	18	0	2	2	18	0	1982-04-03	37	Edmonton, ALTA	6.02	212
15	Jon Merrill	D	21	0	2	2	16	-3	1992-02-03	27	Oklahoma City, OK	6.03	195
73	Brandon Pirri	C	11	0	1	1	6	-3	1991-04-10	28	Toronto, ONT	6.01	180
40	Garret Sparks	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1993-06-28	26	Elmhurst, IL	6.03	201
35	Oscar Dansk	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1994-02-28	25	Stockholm, Sweden	6.03	195
45	Jake Bischoff	D	4	0	0	0	4	-2	1994-07-25	25	Cambridge, MN	6.01	194
30	Malcolm Subban	G	5	0	0	0	0	0	1993-12-21	25	Toronto, ONT	6.02	215
29	Marc-Andre Fleury	G	17	0	0	0	2	0	1984-11-28	34	Sorel, PQ	6.02	185

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Reaves and Carrier..... Mayne they bout to murder our rear ends. Real hard. I mean they finna injure some cause they know they gon get away with it, easy too. That's what some suckas do. Hockey ain't changed. Don knew it and knows it. Me and Lou knows it. Why don't dubas know it? How come we ain't got no thug playing in THESE type of games where people might get hurt (hockey still the same like everyday for decades, FOREVER the same in that way). So yeah, real exciting and suspensful hitchockian to follow this thang. We all are in suspense mode tomorrow. They that hard.... mayne they hitting. We ain't. Dubas ain't. So lets see whom will survive :thumb up:

 

[Magic Man]

Not that the other teams are burning it up with fighting majors, but according to hockeyfights.com the Leafs are now the only team without at least one regular season fighting major in the NHL.

 

[stickty111]

Winning is not the best thing for the team right now, but I can't actively cheer against them.

 

[Magic Man]

I'm surprised at how little time Mikheyev has spent on the PP this season given who they've used. They did the same thing with Kapanen last season.

 

[Martin Skoula]

My god are the Capitals fun to watch. What a team. Fast, Physical, Skilled, sticking up for one another...

I bet Dubas watches Capitals games and gets sick to his stomach.

"Needs more smurfs"..."Too much body contact'

How many times do you think he threw up while filing the paperwork on the Muzzin trade?

 

[LeafalCrusader]

I was so happy when I heard Babs was switching up the d pairings. Then I saw Rielly and Ceci were still paired together

Meh!

 

[Leaf Fans]

Character guys, that’s the bottom line. Everything else is noise, show some pride....

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“You go through tough spurts in a season with all teams, but it’s a little bit tougher [in Toronto].”

We still have to win

 

[Leaf Fans]

My god are the Capitals fun to watch. What a team. Fast, Physical, Skilled, sticking up for one another...

I bet Dubas watches Capitals games and gets sick to his stomach.

"Needs more smurfs"..."Too much body contact'

It doesn't sound right. Dubas' teams usually have some toughness.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It doesn't sound right. Dubas' teams usually have some toughness.

Detroit under Babcock was:

25th, 24th, 22nd, 7th, 18th, 24th, 28th, 25th in hits. Detroit had Babcock's dream bottom-6 grinders and he managed TWO years outside of the bottom-10 in hits.

I think people are confused about where the softness comes from.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I just looked at Vegas's line up
Only one player is 6'0 feet and under. 1 player. And he's pretty good player

Even their goalies are bigger than our forwards.

Ryan Reaves, Carrier, Glass and Eakin are going to have a field day now that they can match up lines

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
71	William Karlsson	C	22	8	15	23	12	7	1993-01-08	26	Marsta, Sweden	6.00	195
67	Max Pacioretty	L	22	8	12	20	13	1	1988-11-20	30	New Canaan, CT	6.02	215
61	Mark Stone	R	22	9	10	19	11	-5	1992-05-13	27	Winnipeg, MAN	6.03	202
19	Reilly Smith	R	22	10	7	17	4	7	1991-04-01	28	Mimico, ONT	6.01	183
81	Jonathan Marchessault	C	22	5	10	15	8	-5	1990-12-27	28	Cap-Rouge, PQ	5.09	180
26	Paul Stastny	C	22	6	4	10	12	-7	1985-12-27	33	Quebec, PQ	6.00	193
27	Shea Theodore	D	22	1	8	9	6	-2	1995-08-03	24	Langley, BC	6.02	195
88	Nate Schmidt	D	10	2	5	7	2	0	1991-07-16	28	St. Cloud, MN	6.01	194
9	Cody Glass	C	22	3	4	7	4	-4	1999-04-01	20	Winnipeg, MAN	6.02	192
21	Cody Eakin	C	18	1	4	5	8	-5	1991-05-24	28	Winnipeg, MAN	6.00	183
28	William Carrier	L	22	3	2	5	14	-2	1994-12-20	24	Montreal, PQ	6.02	212
92	Tomas Nosek	L	19	3	1	4	8	-1	1992-09-01	27	Pardubice, Czech Rep.	6.02	205
22	Nick Holden	D	21	2	2	4	4	-6	1987-05-15	32	St. Albert, ALTA	6.04	212
3	Brayden McNabb	D	22	1	3	4	26	4	1991-01-21	28	Davidson, SASK	6.04	213
10	Nicolas Roy	C	6	1	2	3	4	1	1997-02-05	22	Amos, PQ	6.04	200
14	Nicolas Hague	D	14	0	3	3	16	3	1998-12-05	20	Kitchener, ONT	6.06	221
75	Ryan Reaves	R	22	2	1	3	16	-3	1987-01-20	32	Winnipeg, MAN	6.01	225
89	Alex Tuch	R	5	1	1	2	0	-2	1996-05-10	23	Syracuse, NY	6.04	220
7	Valentin Zykov	L	7	0	2	2	2	-1	1995-05-15	24	St. Petersburg, Russia	6.00	220
5	Deryk Engelland	D	18	0	2	2	18	0	1982-04-03	37	Edmonton, ALTA	6.02	212
15	Jon Merrill	D	21	0	2	2	16	-3	1992-02-03	27	Oklahoma City, OK	6.03	195
73	Brandon Pirri	C	11	0	1	1	6	-3	1991-04-10	28	Toronto, ONT	6.01	180
40	Garret Sparks	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1993-06-28	26	Elmhurst, IL	6.03	201
35	Oscar Dansk	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	1994-02-28	25	Stockholm, Sweden	6.03	195
45	Jake Bischoff	D	4	0	0	0	4	-2	1994-07-25	25	Cambridge, MN	6.01	194
30	Malcolm Subban	G	5	0	0	0	0	0	1993-12-21	25	Toronto, ONT	6.02	215
29	Marc-Andre Fleury	G	17	0	0	0	2	0	1984-11-28	34	Sorel, PQ	6.02	185

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Cool Story. We've beaten them the last 3 times we played them.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Detroit under Babcock was:

25th, 24th, 22nd, 7th, 18th, 24th, 28th, 25th in hits. Detroit had Babcock's dream bottom-6 grinders and he managed TWO years outside of the bottom-10 in hits.

I think people are confused about where the softness comes from.

Agreed, I mean look at a guy like Leipsic tonight. Went after Gudbranson and actually plowed Nick Ritchie I believe when he went back the second time.

A good coach can motivate players to run through a wall for the team. We do not have a good coach.