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At no point did I claim to know who Matthews wants to play with. That was you, remember?
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At no point did I claim to know who Matthews wants to play with. That was you, remember?
Bounces R Way
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It's a pretty short list of players in the league I'd consider trading Matthew Tkachuk for. Willy ain't on it.
Kamiccolo
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Basically this is a pretty even deal given how heated each side gets. It just depends on team need who you take over value.
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Maplebeasts
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The hilarious under rating of Nylander continues. No thanks.
tony d
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Nylander's worth more than Tkachuk. Calgary might be interested but I think Toronto declines.
Potty John
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Calgary doesn’t need a guy who wants 8 mill a season, and Chucky is gonna be the heart and sole of the flames going forward.
blankall
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NO.......
1. People realize that Tkachuk is 1.5 years younger than Nylander right? Tkachuk seems to get better and better every game. His room for growth is bigger than Nylander's.
2. PPG the offence was almost the exact same. 68 games is hardly a small sample size.
3. Tkachuk brings a much better set of intangibles. I take him on physical play and leadership, both highly valued assets particularly for the playoffs. Tkachuk is one of the best pests in the league, and he does it while backing it up physically. This kind of play has the ability to turn games.
4. I doubt Toronto will be able to afford Tkachuk. He'll be a RFA next year and will likely command a large raise. Toronto needs to re-sign Matthews, Marner, and Gardiner that year. Tkachuk is likely to cost even more than Nylander.
Tkachuk for Nylander is just not the type of trade you make.
1. People realize that Tkachuk is 1.5 years younger than Nylander right? Tkachuk seems to get better and better every game. His room for growth is bigger than Nylander's.
2. PPG the offence was almost the exact same. 68 games is hardly a small sample size.
3. Tkachuk brings a much better set of intangibles. I take him on physical play and leadership, both highly valued assets particularly for the playoffs. Tkachuk is one of the best pests in the league, and he does it while backing it up physically. This kind of play has the ability to turn games.
4. I doubt Toronto will be able to afford Tkachuk. He'll be a RFA next year and will likely command a large raise. Toronto needs to re-sign Matthews, Marner, and Gardiner that year. Tkachuk is likely to cost even more than Nylander.
Tkachuk for Nylander is just not the type of trade you make.
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Look, I like Nylander but Tkachuk's value is so beyond Nylander's that Treliving would probably have a stroke on the spot if he got this phone call.
As a neutral fan in this I sort of see Nylander having slightly more value than Tkachuk. They're very close in my opinion although they play very different types of hockey. I dunno.. am I out to lunch? Nylander is a 60 point winger who looks like to me like he might someday be capable of playing center. Tkachuk plays the game with more of an edge. I guess it depends on what you're lacking in your line up.
Playoff hockey-wise I think Tkachuk's style brings more to the table.
Lastly, why would the Flames trade a guy with one year left on his ELC for an unsigned RFA?
Playoff hockey-wise I think Tkachuk's style brings more to the table.
Lastly, why would the Flames trade a guy with one year left on his ELC for an unsigned RFA?
This is very intriguing....
Tkachuk is undeniably the better player in this deal. When not discussing intangibles, there’s an argument for Nylander, and that argument isn’t that strong.
Throwing stats out for this isn’t the best argument ie Tkachuk is a .67 ppg player while Nylander is a .729 over their careers. That’s almost marginal.., with the obvious edge to Nylander.
The intangibles more than make up for that. Tkachuk is someone you want on your team along with hating to play against. There aren’t many skilled players like that in the league anymore. Flames have a gem in Tkachuk... they’re gonna keep him.
Value wise... not good at all. Favors the leafs heavily. This is something only a delusional fan would say no to if you’re the leafs.
For the flames this is not good because it takes away a dimension that they need (grit) and doesn’t really make them better based off of holes in their team. Tkachuk makes them more of a contented than Nylander. Even in the playoffs Tkachuk will be that player to make stuff happen. Based off this past playoffs for Nylander, he looked so hesitant and scared of a hit.
I’m not trying to degrade Nylander in any way... he’s a phenomenal player. A gem in his own right, however, Tkachuk has the higher value.
Tkachuk is undeniably the better player in this deal. When not discussing intangibles, there’s an argument for Nylander, and that argument isn’t that strong.
Throwing stats out for this isn’t the best argument ie Tkachuk is a .67 ppg player while Nylander is a .729 over their careers. That’s almost marginal.., with the obvious edge to Nylander.
The intangibles more than make up for that. Tkachuk is someone you want on your team along with hating to play against. There aren’t many skilled players like that in the league anymore. Flames have a gem in Tkachuk... they’re gonna keep him.
Value wise... not good at all. Favors the leafs heavily. This is something only a delusional fan would say no to if you’re the leafs.
For the flames this is not good because it takes away a dimension that they need (grit) and doesn’t really make them better based off of holes in their team. Tkachuk makes them more of a contented than Nylander. Even in the playoffs Tkachuk will be that player to make stuff happen. Based off this past playoffs for Nylander, he looked so hesitant and scared of a hit.
I’m not trying to degrade Nylander in any way... he’s a phenomenal player. A gem in his own right, however, Tkachuk has the higher value.
I'd say that's fairly accurate. At this point the Flames need a player like Tkachuk more than they need a player like Nylander. They just don't have a lot of grit.
And yes the contract situation is slightly better, although Tkachuk will likely be seeking a deal similar to Nylander's after this season. It might be a tough sell because the Flames don't really have any super high-end contracts at the moment. Gaudreau and Giordano are the highest at 6.75 and it would be tough justifying paying Tkachuk more than those guys.
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From a needs perspective the Flames say no
From all other perspective the Flames say hell no.
There's a large section of Flames fans who would put Tkachuk as the #1 untouchable player on the Flames. I wouldn't put him ahead of Gaudreau for example, but a lot of Flames fans would.
From all other perspective the Flames say hell no.
There's a large section of Flames fans who would put Tkachuk as the #1 untouchable player on the Flames. I wouldn't put him ahead of Gaudreau for example, but a lot of Flames fans would.
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Isaac Nootin
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Aren't the Leafs actively trying to get better as a legit Stanley Cup contender?
So why then would they make this trade and get worse?
So why then would they make this trade and get worse?
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Because it would actually in fact make them a better team.
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blankall
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How so?
You do realize that grit is very important for the playoffs. The offensive production is a wash, and Leafs are gaining one of the best agitators in the game, who is also a physical presence.
This sums it up perfectly:
Isaac Nootin
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How much "grit" did Pittsburgh have in 15/16 and 16/17. It's getting phased out more with every passing year, so I'll stick with the quicker, more skilled forward. Thanks.
Atomos2
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You offer up this trade to Dubas with your main sticking point being grit is very important in the playoffs, he will chuckle, adjust his glasses and call security to politely escort you out of the building.
blankall
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Wow....you don't even know your own player.
Tkachuk is just as fast and skilled as Nylander. Take a look at Tkachuk's shootout and breakaway goals. Where are people getting this idea that Tkachuk isn't fast or doesn't stickhandle at an elite level?
Nylander's edge is in playmaking, vision, and positional play. But Tkachuk is getting better at that everyday.
Isaac Nootin
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Tkachuk, while skilled, is not on Nylanders level in that department.
Stick to the "grit" argument.
Arthur Morgan
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GP G A PTS PIM SOG PPP HIT BLK FOW TOI TOISH
Tkachuk - 68 24 25 49 61 188 17 80 16 7 1173:02 0:23
Nylander - 82 20 41 61 10 184 12 21 18 334 1368:27 1:51
so why is this trade so far off? looks pretty fair 1 for 1.
Tkachuk - 68 24 25 49 61 188 17 80 16 7 1173:02 0:23
Nylander - 82 20 41 61 10 184 12 21 18 334 1368:27 1:51
so why is this trade so far off? looks pretty fair 1 for 1.
