Proposal: TOR-COL

[Liferleafer]

Like... ?

Because none of the young, talented, potential #1 RHD are available for a winger.

So the solution is to trade Marner for a lesser player?

 

[Baksfamous112]

So the solution is to trade Marner for a lesser player?

No it’s to keep Marner. There’s no solution because there’s no one who will ever give up what you want for Marner

 

[Patagonia]

No it’s to keep Marner. There’s no solution because there’s no one who will ever give up what you want for Marner

Bingo!

RHD and 1C are the most valued positions in hockey. Wingers are the least. Marner is a fantastic Winger, but unfortunately plays a position that does not have the same value as the RHD the Leafs need. Leaf fans might be unhappy (understandable), but if they want that RHD they will have to overpay which could be Marner or Nylander.

 

[bukwas]

Bingo!

RHD and 1C are the most valued positions in hockey. Wingers are the least. Marner is a fantastic Winger, but unfortunately plays a position that does not have the same value as the RHD the Leafs need. Leaf fans might be unhappy (understandable), but if they want that RHD they will have to overpay which could be Marner or Nylander.

Can't draft and develop?

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Hyman at 2.25m for 3 more years is a steal so no

 

[Patagonia]

Can't draft and develop?

DMen normally requires 3-4 years and difficult to know if they really develop. Team find the best DMen in the 2nd-4th rounds for a reason, less risk and lower expectations. Forwards 1-2 years and can help the team sooner.

Leafs wanted a short rebuild and focused on Forwards. The last 2 drafts, the focus is on picking DMen, most notably Liljegren (draft steal). The current team is stocked with Forward being young, fast and high scoring players, but little with immediate DMen prospects.

Marner and Nylander have often been mentioned because finding quality DMan is extremely difficult. Wingers can be drafted and ready right away. The other option is waiting years for a player such as Liljegren to develop and waste the prime years of the Forwards. So the Leafs have drafted to build a pipeline of DMen, but can the team keep waiting or trade an All-Star Winger they can replenish each draft?

 

[AK1121]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

 

[mazmin]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

Not terrible at all value wise. But does Toronto need Johnson that bad? Or should they keep Nylander and use the A+ Forwards and B- Defence model that won the Pens two Cups?

As for the OP (Hyman for Ghetto) I think the Leafs pass. The Leafs are already soft and Hyman adds a bit of grit to the lineup and can play on any line.

 

[DRW204]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

COL's top pairing RHD and potentially Jack Hughes (i dont think you can protect a pick futher but you can do a lower of the two picks if that's what you mean) for Nylander... eek

 

[Cousin Eddie]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

A low end #1 defenseman and the most valuable draft pick (at this point in time) in next years NHL draft for William Nylander? You can’t really think that’s a fair proposal?

 

[Notsince67]

You make Leaf fans look stupid believing Marner can get Mackinnon. Matthews maybe, but if you want EJ the Leafs need to offer a better return.

I think you need to see one more year of performance before you can declare him to be at Matthews level. Other than last year his performance has been meh

 

[AK1121]

COL's top pairing RHD and potentially Jack Hughes (i dont think you can protect a pick futher but you can do a lower of the two picks if that's what you mean) for Nylander... eek

It could totally be Hughes...best case scenario for COL is 25% chance at him. That said, OTT still has a lot of players who could have bounce back years in Karlsson, Duchene & Andersen. They will still suck but, at least they could be better than MTL, NYI, NYR, DET, NYI in the East and better than ARI & VAN in the west...

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It could totally be Hughes...best case scenario for COL is 25% chance at him. That said, OTT still has a lot of players who could have bounce back years in Karlsson, Duchene & Andersen. They will still suck but, at least they could be better than MTL, NYI, NYR, DET, NYI in the East and better than ARI & VAN in the west...

True. But EJ + 10th-15th OA is still too much for Nylander. Knowing that the puck has a chance to be so much higher than that makes it ridiculous value.

 

[DRW204]

It could totally be Hughes...best case scenario for COL is 25% chance at him. That said, OTT still has a lot of players who could have bounce back years in Karlsson, Duchene & Andersen. They will still suck but, at least they could be better than MTL, NYI, NYR, DET, NYI in the East and better than ARI & VAN in the west...

Hughes, Newhook, Tucotte, Dach, Lavoie...this upcoming draft is stacked at C in the top 10 unlike this past season. Even Kakko looks longstanding as a Winger prospect. We are still a ways away from the 2019 Draft and obviously there will be plenty of movement within the rankings, however, giving up a shot at a promising C prospect, and likely the best shot at Hughes + your top pairing RHD for a Winger doesn't seem like a smart move imo. albeit it is a top 15-20ish Right Winger league wide...

 

[Patagonia]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

WTH?

Nylander alone is not worth the Sens 1st.

 

[Patagonia]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

Leafs need to add if they want the Sens pick.

 

[AK1121]

Nylander alone is not worth the Sens 1st.

I totally disagree...There is this notion that all picks are going to be better than the player offered. IF there was a redraft of the '14 draft. Nylander could easily be a top 5 with Ekblad, Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander, Point (in no order).

Nylander is a back to back 60Point winger in his two seasons played...and should get better. There is risk for the Leafs in this deal as they are giving up the Best player ATM. Johnson while a very good D doesn't get you Nylander in the deal. Perhaps a small + on Leafs end could be argued to even the deal.

 

[AK1121]

Nylander alone is not worth the Sens 1st.

I totally disagree...There is this notion that all picks are going to be better than the player offered. IF there was a redraft of the '14 draft. Nylander could easily be a top 5 with Ekblad, Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander, Point (in no order).

Nylander is a back to back 60Point winger in his two seasons played...and should get better. There is risk for the Leafs in this deal as they are giving up the Best player ATM. Johnson while a very good D doesn't get you Nylander in a deal as a stand alone. Perhaps a small + on Leafs end could be argued to even the deal.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

COL

Nylander (RFA)

TOR

Johnson
OTT 1st (unprotected by COL...are they able to protect someone else's pick?)

COL top 9 Forwards

Landeskog/MacKinnon/Rantanen
Nieto/Soderberg/Nylander
Jost/Compher/Andrighetto

TOR top 6 Defense

Rielly/Johnson
Gardiner/Zaitsev
Dermott/Hainsey

Hell no. Love Nylander, but this doesnt help us.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

...... So the Leafs have drafted to build a pipeline of DMen, but can the team keep waiting or trade an All-Star Winger they can replenish each draft?

If the Leafs were able to grab a Marner in every draft I don't think they would have a problem trading him.... thing is players of Marner's calibre do not come around every draft and the Leafs wont be drafting close to where these players are being picked.

Any winger they draft in the next like 10 years has incredibly low odds of become close to as good as Marner is

 

[Foppberg]

Bozak +2nd?

 

[DRW204]

I totally disagree...There is this notion that all picks are going to be better than the player offered. IF there was a redraft of the '14 draft. Nylander could easily be a top 5 with Ekblad, Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander, Point (in no order).

Nylander is a back to back 60Point winger in his two seasons played...and should get better. There is risk for the Leafs in this deal as they are giving up the Best player ATM. Johnson while a very good D doesn't get you Nylander in a deal as a stand alone. Perhaps a small + on Leafs end could be argued to even the deal.

Nylander is a promising talent but the hole that would result of Erik Johnson's departure would likely be bigger than the addition of Nylander at the moment imo. COL has promising RD prospects in Makar and Timmins but they haven't even had a cup of coffee in the NHL yet. The Wing position has seemingly been devalued across the league in recent trades, although none of the wingers in recent transactions have the youth+upside of Nylander, giving up the team's 1RHD+lottery pick for what would be a 2RW behind Rantnanen,would be a bad move.

 

[JayKnowsHockey]

When did St Louis get inolved?

Bozak +2nd?

 

[Foppberg]

When did St Louis get inolved?

Apparently you don't know your hockey as well as you think, Jay.

 

[43Kadri43]

EJ is a low end #1D. Marner isn't gonna snag you a young #1D. Sorry!

EJ isn’t gonna snag you Marner. Sorry!

 

[Nylanderthal]

He would be a perfect addition for the Leafs and would provide leadership along with much needed skill. Problem is the AVs actually need him more the Leafs. There are also Cap Issues in fitting his deal, so unless a player such as Marner + Cap Dump, I doubt either team would be interested.

Now that martin is gone we don’t have any more of those.