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skagittarius

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he went way beyond his scope as a GM and he paid the price.

I don't disagree, but I'm guessing Hextall learned from that experience and that's why I think he should still be a candidate in Edmonton. I'd definitely want to know if he's changed his philosophy on some of that for his next job, and if not, then thanks but no thanks. You risk having some of the same problems hiring an inexperienced GM.
 

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That article from the 4th period was not very heart warming, lol. None of those guys seem like "home run hires" to me. I'll take a hard pass on Nonis and Hunter, based on their records. I don't know anything really about Futa, or Burke though. Can anybody expand more on those 2? Obviously I know of Burke from his playing days, but what about his management experience?
 
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I don't get the Maccrimon love. Vegas made some terrible trades already.

They gave up huge value for Stone and patches.

I think Gallant deserves way more credit with that rosters success

Me neither. Unless the NHL decides that the Oilers are worse than an expansion team, and should therefore be able to steal players from all the other teams, I don't see why he would repeat the success he has had in Vegas. The 2 situations are obviously very different.
 

FlameChampion

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I don't get the Maccrimon love. Vegas made some terrible trades already.

They gave up huge value for Stone and patches.

I think Gallant deserves way more credit with that rosters success

I agree. As good as Vegas has been, I am not sure how much of it is on McPhee and McCrimmon. They have made some very lousy trades when they didnt need to. The Tatar trade was brutal. I dont think the Pacorietty one has really worked out that well. Stone contract may come back to haunt them. I wonder if this will be a team we look back on in a few years and say they would of been better off if they didnt make any moves after their initial expansion draft. Gallant was an excellent hire though.

I wonder if McCrimmon thing will turn into Paul Fenton. I think you have to be careful plucking someone from a successful organization because that person might not be the reason its been successful. Seems to happen pretty often.

Need to go through extensive process and interview people and look at the vision the GM has for the team. I am not confident in Nicholson finding this person, hope I am wrong.
 

Joey Moss

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Only reason Dave Nonis is mentioned is because of Dreger; they are cousins I believe.
There's literally no reason for Nonis to be considered for this job. His resume is nothing impressive. Burke left more for the Canucks 2011 run than Nonis did. The best player the Canucks drafted in his tenure was Michael Grabner. His 2 year stretch in Toronto was a disaster which required a major cleanup for Shannahan and Lamourello. And yet here is Dreger suggesting him for the Oilers, and the Flyers earlier this year.

Hard to take him seriously.
 
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MessierII

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There's literally no reason for Nonis to be considered for this job. His resume is nothing impressive. Burke left more for the Canucks 2011 run than Nonis did. The best player the Canucks drafted in his tenure was Michael Grabner. His 2 year stretch in Toronto was a disaster which required a major cleanup for Shannahan and Lamourello. And yet here is Dreger suggesting him for the Oilers, and the Flyers earlier this year.

Hard to take him seriously.
Nonis was pretty good in van. They were insanely deep and him landing Luongo was what took them to the next level.
 

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At the end of the day, the next GM will be nothing more then a puppet! That's because MacT will be President or Vice-President of Hockey Ops which is still higher up in the org chart then GM.

Unfortunately, it would be wise for a guy like Kelly McCrimmon to stay the hell away from the position and just wait for the position to be available in Seattle.
 
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Joey Moss

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Nonis was pretty good in van. They were insanely deep and him landing Luongo was what took them to the next level.
The drafting was pretty terrible from his time there. One good draft year in 2004, and who knows how much say he had in it he was fresh on the job. If drafting and development is the biggest priority for Nicholson, Nonis sure isn't the guy.
 

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The drafting was pretty terrible from his time there. One good draft year in 2004, and who knows how much say he had in it he was fresh on the job. If drafting and development is the biggest priority for Nicholson, Nonis sure isn't the guy.
I don’t disagree with you there. His drafting has always sucked.
 

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Canada Drai

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These "highly touted" A-GM's scare me.

KM- Vegas (despite the decent success) is going to be in an Oilers like cap situation soon.
Futa- LA is just horrible and is basically a Bruins clone but much worse.
KG- Chia disciple

Guys like Nill, Fenton, Gorton, Dubas and others have been pretty suspect at best so far.

That's not to say "veteran" GM's are the bees knees though. Lots of trash there as well.
 

Paralyzer008

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I don't get the Maccrimon love. Vegas made some terrible trades already.

They gave up huge value for Stone and patches.

I think Gallant deserves way more credit with that rosters success

They gave up value because they could afford to after how masterfully they handled expansion. Keep in mind they still have a LOT of draft picks.

Mark Stone is a bonafide star player - the Senators are an AHL team without him. Pacioretty has another 20 goal season under his belt. Paul Stastny has had a wonderful season when healthy. They paid big prices, but at least the players they got back don't suck. They didn't deal a 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart. Also, their older players got paid money but not necessarily major term. They had flexibility to find a way to be good now so that they got a quick head start on their market to make money and establish themselves in Vegas and they did so.

I thought the Tomas Tatar deal was poor, but Kelly McCrimmon was part of a very successful WHL organization he ran in Brandon, Vegas makes the final in their first year of operation and once again have a good team rolling again this season. Gerald Gallant gets plenty of credit - that Jack Adams Award shows it - he's running a fantastic system there. There's multiple good pieces to the puzzle.

I'd say Vegas has come out net positive right now for sure though. Every other GM candidate listed in this thread has just as many flaws as McCrimmon if not more.

Part of the interview process is to see how much Kelly McCrimmon had for a role in Vegas and maybe even what decisions he liked or disliked against George McPhee's opinion - if he comes out and is a dinosaur against where the new NHL is going, you simply show him the door.
 

Joey Moss

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Sean Burke is interesting to me just because of his resume with goalies. He was actually an assistant GM and goalie coach in Phoenix. You would think he'd be able to evaluate goalies well.

It doesn't seem like he has much experience as a manager though. Looks like he's been director of prospect development before becoming assistant GM/goalie coach and than was a scout for Montreal for one season. Hard to evaluate.
 

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They gave up value because they could afford to after how masterfully they handled expansion. Keep in mind they still have a LOT of draft picks.

Mark Stone is a bonafide star player - the Senators are an AHL team without him. Pacioretty has another 20 goal season under his belt. Paul Stastny has had a wonderful season when healthy. They paid big prices, but at least the players they got back don't suck. They didn't deal a 1st and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart. Also, their older players got paid money but not necessarily major term. They had flexibility to find a way to be good now so that they got a quick head start on their market to make money and establish themselves in Vegas and they did so.

I thought the Tomas Tatar deal was poor, but Kelly McCrimmon was part of a very successful WHL organization he ran in Brandon, Vegas makes the final in their first year of operation and once again have a good team rolling again this season. Gerald Gallant gets plenty of credit - that Jack Adams Award shows it - he's running a fantastic system there. There's multiple good pieces to the puzzle.

I'd say Vegas has come out net positive right now for sure though. Every other GM candidate listed in this thread has just as many flaws as McCrimmon if not more.

Part of the interview process is to see how much Kelly McCrimmon had for a role in Vegas and maybe even what decisions he liked or disliked against George McPhee's opinion - if he comes out and is a dinosaur against where the new NHL is going, you simply show him the door.


Umm, what? Let's not under sell that their roster overachieved because of the coach. I will give them credit for players like Tuck, Fleury, Theodore, March and Karlsson. But the coach made that click

Now...Max Pacioretty. Are you serious? The player called out by his national team? The player who arguably got Subban traded, then failed to show up? Are you talking Max Paciorety?? The 7million dollar 35 point player? Who they traded their 2nd best forward prospect and a 2nd? Please, don't try and polish a turd here

Stone is a beast!!! I cannot call that acquisition bad at all, nor a mistake. But they traded away a defensive stud prospect to get him. Getting him was a good move, in which they paid a steep price, both in trade value and in future cap.
 

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That article from the 4th period was not very heart warming, lol. None of those guys seem like "home run hires" to me. I'll take a hard pass on Nonis and Hunter, based on their records. I don't know anything really about Futa, or Burke though. Can anybody expand more on those 2? Obviously I know of Burke from his playing days, but what about his management experience?
I don't think anyone wants Nonis, I'm hoping his name is just thrown into the mix cause Dreger wants to give his cousin a shout-out. Hunter and McCrimmon for that matter both ran very high end junior teams which were both quite successful and seemed to be great at finding talent; I can't fault either as an assistant GM, both organizations progressed in a positive direction with them onboard.

Futa's main claim to fame is his drafting record, he ran LA's drafting from 2007-14 like anyone some notable misses and poor years, but if you compare his drafting record to ours in that time frame particularly outside of the 1st round they clearly did substantially better than us. Futa was the GM for the Owen Sound Attack they were moderately successful, not as successful as the Brandon Wheat Kings or the London Knights though. I respect his scouting resume, but I'm not sure what qualifications he brings beyond that. Also as I've often argued I don't think GM's impact scouting much other than a bit of hiring/firing, the GM's can scout some of the 1st round picks, but can't get out in the field enough to find the late round steals that are Futa's strong suit (1st rounders for him are a mixed bag). Just an FYI as the Owen Sound GM he picked up Mark Giordano, Andrej Sekera, Bobby Ryan, Brad Richardson, Paul Bisonette, and Theo Peckham.

Sean Burke's worn a few hats, was the director of player personnel, assistant GM, and goalie coach for the Yotes, a pro scout for the Canadiens, and the GM for the 2018 Canadian Olympic team (won bronze /w no NHL players). The Yotes have obviously been pretty forgettable for a long time, I'm not sure how much of that is on him, or the previous GM, or the cash strapped nature of the team, I will say that when he was there they seemed to be getting good performances out of their goalies many of which were less successful elsewhere. I don't have a lot to say about Sean Burke, other than I respected him as a player and based on his interviews I could always tell he was quite a bit smarter than your average NHL player. FYI Sean Burke's son Brendan plays for the UofA Golden Bears.

Given that I can't be the one to interview these guys and how poorly Fenton is doing (I thought he'd do well), I've come to accept that I don't know who will be a good GM and who won't. All I can do is hope that Bob Nicholson gets it right with his second attempt, not only in the GM position, but also in the people we get to surround him.
 

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One thing I know for sure about Hunter is that he understands the value of skill. London has always had high end talent under the Hunters. And during his time with Toronto they focused on skill.

Hunter as the GM and Knoblauch as the coach would substantially change the focus of this team from a plodder to an up-tempo skill oriented team.
 
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That article from the 4th period was not very heart warming, lol. None of those guys seem like "home run hires" to me. I'll take a hard pass on Nonis and Hunter, based on their records. I don't know anything really about Futa, or Burke though. Can anybody expand more on those 2? Obviously I know of Burke from his playing days, but what about his management experience?
Burke is on the list because he was GM of team Canada in the Olympics last year. Katz/Nicholson will always go for the HC connection.
 

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At the end of the day, the next GM will be nothing more then a puppet! That's because MacT will be President or Vice-President of Hockey Ops which is still higher up in the org chart then GM.

Unfortunately, it would be wise for a guy like Kelly McCrimmon to stay the hell away from the position and just wait for the position to be available in Seattle.

Reading [Listening?] between the lines on Oilers Now every Tuesday, it does sound like MacT is the main culprit out of OBC. By all accounts, Lowe and Wayne are more PR people than personnel that impact the actual Hockey side. Stauffer seemingly nonstop defends Lowe and Gretz until Spec brings up MacT.
 

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Reading [Listening?] between the lines on Oilers Now every Tuesday, it does sound like MacT is the main culprit out of OBC. By all accounts, Lowe and Wayne are more PR people than personnel that impact the actual Hockey side. Stauffer seemingly nonstop defends Lowe and Gretz until Spec brings up MacT.

I get the same impression.
 
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FlameChampion

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There is a quick Nicholson interview on TSN.ca today.

- he's talked to a lot of people in the game over the last 3.5 weeks and some more people in the last couple days at the GM meetings
- will begin interviewing candidates in the next 2 weeks or so
- has not asked teams for permission yet
- experience is important but also says there are a lot of up-and-coming people (assistant GMs)
- did not give a straight answer to Rishaug's question on if Keith Gretzky is a candidate but said he's impressed with the job KG has done
- number one priority is drafting and development
- no timeline set; he's going to take as much time as needed to get the right person

Glad that hes not set in stone on the experience thing. Experience is good but its not the end all in my opinion.

Whoever the GM is picked. If he does not get rid of McTavish, Howson, Bill Scott etc out of the hockey operations department, its a fail in my eyes.
 
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Glad that hes not set in stone on the experience thing. Experience is good but its not the end all in my opinion.

Whoever the GM is picked. If he does not get rid of McTavish, Howson, Bill Scott etc out of the hockey operations department, its a fail in my eyes.

At the very least, MacT, Howson, Scott and Green need to go. Theyve done nothing but harm
 
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