Simmonds over rated ???? With his size, (flyers def need) stats, and his contract (which is clutch for this expensive team) what is it that you find about him, over rated? Y wouldn't u like alot about him ?
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Random Forest
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Overrated by other fans: Simmonds
Overrated by Flyers fans: Rinaldo (only the ones who are okay with him playing)
Overrated by the organization: MacDonald, Emery, Rinaldo, Grossmann
I think that's a pretty fair way of putting it.
Overrated by Flyers fans: Rinaldo (only the ones who are okay with him playing)
Overrated by the organization: MacDonald, Emery, Rinaldo, Grossmann
I think that's a pretty fair way of putting it.
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I'm not limiting my opinions to who I think is most overrated by members of this board. I don't know if Brayden gets criticism on this board. I have about 10 posts.
I disagree about Simmonds. I think outside fans underrate him while we tend to overrate him. I love him and he's an important forward I just feel there's a lot who would say he's better than Voracek which just isnt true.
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Morin, sure. I can agree. Couturier you can make a compelling case for, though I would still disagree.
But Sanheim? Nobody on here has described him as anything but a project who has some extremely intriguing tools. The consensus here is "Wow, this guy has some real high potential, hopefully he can put it together".
And Laughton? I don't think there's a soul on here who believes he has potential to be anything more than a reliable 2C who realistically projects to a solid 3C. Unless you think his ceiling is much lower, I'm not seeing this one either.
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Well, it was tough coming up with 4 guys, since I think everyone on the team gets their fair share of criticism. Plus, I don't read all the threads and often skip stuff, so this list was just from the impression I got. Obviously, there's no objective definition of "overrated" anyway, so I don't expect everyone to agree with my picks.
I would've mentioned Giroux due to all the Olympics ruckus, but then again I thought he got some unfair criticism for his playoff performance.
Well, I just saw some lofty comparisons and taking Button's praise as the ***-given truth. After that, I stopped reading that thread, so, again, I'm just going from whatever impressions I got by skimming through the posts.
I saw a lot of projected lineups a time ago with him getting a shot on the first line or ahead of Vinny in the centre position. I don't know what his ceiling would be, but if he gets to be anything more than a 4C, I'll be happy. It's just that whenever I saw him play, I never saw much creativity, but just grinding it out. I know he put up some big offensive numbers in the CHL, I just don't see how. I think 2C is a stretch, whereas a 3C might be reachable. I don't really have a strong opinion on this, and am open to being convinced otherwise.
I would've mentioned Giroux due to all the Olympics ruckus, but then again I thought he got some unfair criticism for his playoff performance.
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In all fairness to the OP, he made a typo in the thread title. As you see, he was really asking about type 3 overrated Flyers, not the top 4.
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Within any fan base, their are certain people who overrate some players because of a personal fixation. While I personally thought Simmonds was overrated going into last season because of his defensive failings and mediocre skating, he improved on the former some in large part due to a pretty significant improvement in the later. Now, I generally think he is pretty fairly rated by most.
Couturier is probably somewhat overrated because he is still young and offensively inconsistent. While people love to point out his ES scoring and tough assignments, very often he gets a pass for his periods of poor shooting, infrequent, but bad mid-ice turnovers, and so-so skating. I understand why it happens because other fans annoyingly look at stats and dismiss the potential and offensive ability (if a little inconsistent) that those who watch a lot see. Fans are probably a little over protective given the overly harsh evaluation of Couturier's offense and often criminal under-rating of his defense, especially on the PK.
Couturier would get better with opportunity, but he would also need to improve his consistency of offensive play, particularly shooting accuracy, to take full advantage of any increase in opportunity. Yes, opportunity and consistency are probably linked in this case.
Couturier is probably somewhat overrated because he is still young and offensively inconsistent. While people love to point out his ES scoring and tough assignments, very often he gets a pass for his periods of poor shooting, infrequent, but bad mid-ice turnovers, and so-so skating. I understand why it happens because other fans annoyingly look at stats and dismiss the potential and offensive ability (if a little inconsistent) that those who watch a lot see. Fans are probably a little over protective given the overly harsh evaluation of Couturier's offense and often criminal under-rating of his defense, especially on the PK.
Couturier would get better with opportunity, but he would also need to improve his consistency of offensive play, particularly shooting accuracy, to take full advantage of any increase in opportunity. Yes, opportunity and consistency are probably linked in this case.
You guys are being too nice about it. Although this seems like a Simmonds debate Ill go another way.
1. Andy Mac;
I see him becoming a whipping boy this season. I was initially excited about him, but by the end of the season he made me sad. He is steady but he really isn't great at anything and had a lot of mess ups by seasons end and was bad in the playoffs.
2. Ghost;
The projections for him right now are crazy. I really do hope they are true and I do like him, but there were some people saying he could replace Kimmo and be better than Gus was last season. Those are crazy expectations for an undersized Rookie defensemen.
3. Couts;
I love him. He is going to be a truly awesome player and I hope he is a Flyer for life. But right now he really struggles with the puck, specifically getting the puck deep into the zone. I think he is going to breakout this season, but he was awful in the Rangers series and while he is very good defensively his puck control and offense is just nowhere near his defensive level.
1. Andy Mac;
I see him becoming a whipping boy this season. I was initially excited about him, but by the end of the season he made me sad. He is steady but he really isn't great at anything and had a lot of mess ups by seasons end and was bad in the playoffs.
2. Ghost;
The projections for him right now are crazy. I really do hope they are true and I do like him, but there were some people saying he could replace Kimmo and be better than Gus was last season. Those are crazy expectations for an undersized Rookie defensemen.
3. Couts;
I love him. He is going to be a truly awesome player and I hope he is a Flyer for life. But right now he really struggles with the puck, specifically getting the puck deep into the zone. I think he is going to breakout this season, but he was awful in the Rangers series and while he is very good defensively his puck control and offense is just nowhere near his defensive level.
Striiker
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I think here should be a distinction between overrated and overhyped.
Overrated is people saying a player who is "x" good is "2x" good.
Overhyped is people saying a player will be "2x" good and realistically they'll end up "x" good.
Nobody is saying the D prospects are better than they are, the problem is that some people might be getting a bit too hopeful and expecting a bit too much. In my mind that's not the same as overrated.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong here.
Overrated is people saying a player who is "x" good is "2x" good.
Overhyped is people saying a player will be "2x" good and realistically they'll end up "x" good.
Nobody is saying the D prospects are better than they are, the problem is that some people might be getting a bit too hopeful and expecting a bit too much. In my mind that's not the same as overrated.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong here.
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Have you ever even seen Sanheim play? I understand if Button saying McDonagh made you skeptical, but you should at least watch him play before throwing him on this list.
I really doubt you saw many, if any, people say Laughton should be on the 1st line. You're exaggerating. As for being ahead of Vinny, I don't see why anyone wouldn't have Laughton ahead. He'll play defense and score a little. Vinny will play no defense and may score a little more, but not near enough to make up the difference in defense.
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chupanibre
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Ahh yes. His greatness lives on.
Never said he was great. but look at this advanced stats and Schenns numbers with Gus as compared to Mesz. You will find that he was a solid dman.
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