Top-200 Hockey Players of All-Time - Voting Results

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I personally liked the old results a little better than the new ones, but you made the right call.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well, most of agreed on Bucyk and Kasatonov as well.

Seems that Bucyk has more support from the folks who originally had him NR, based on how the pattern moved from vote to vote.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Glad Petrov made it.

Surprised Bergeron went this early.

Sad Petrov didn't make it.

 

[seventieslord]

Player	Total	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	NR
Victor Hedman	100	2	4	1	3	2				1	1	2
Paul Kariya	93	4		3		2	1	2	1		1	2
Marty Barry	91	2	3	2	1		1	2	2	1		2
Vladimir Petrov	81	2		1	3	1	1	2	4		1	1
Hod Stuart	77	2	2	1	1	1	2	1	1		1	4
Hooley Smith	74		2	2	2	1	2	2		1		4
Ebbie Goodfellow	68	1	1	1		3	2	1	1	3		3
Shea Weber	59		2	2			2	1	2	2	1	4
Jacques Laperriere	56		1		2	3	1		1	2	3	3
Dale Hawerchuk	55			1	2	1	1	3	1	2	3	2
Jan Suchy	53	1	1	1	1	1		1	1	1	4	4
Alexei Kasatonov	27	1					1	1	2	1		10
Marian Hossa	26	1			1	1				1	1	11
Johnny Bucyk	20			1			2			1		12

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[The Macho King]

Wow I can't even vote and Hedman went #1.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Wow I can't even vote and Hedman went #1.

You're a good campaign manager.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Wow I can't even vote and Hedman went #1.

I think I had him second. I had the top 3 in my top 3 in a different order. Happy to see them all make it.

I had Laperriere up at 4. And had Petrov quite a bit lower. Little surprised he got in so quickly

 

[seventieslord]

Player	Total	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	NR
Ebbie Goodfellow	116	5	4	1	1	1		1	1	1		1
Hooley Smith	104	1	5	3	2		2				1	2
Jacques Laperriere	99	1	2	2	4	2	2	1			1	1
Dale Hawerchuk	88		3	3	1	2	2	2				3
Jan Suchy	81	4	1			4			2	1		4
Shea Weber	80	2	1	1	2	1	3	2				4
Marian Hossa	50	1		2		1		2	3		1	6
Johnny Bucyk	50			2	2		1		3	2	2	4
Jonathan Toews	43	1			2		1	1	2	2		7
Henrik Zetterberg	41				1	3		1	3	1	1	6
Alexei Kasatonov	36	1					2	2		2	4	5
Lionel Conacher	28					1	1	3		1	3	7
Luc Robitaille	23				1	1	1			2	1	10
Mark Recchi	21			1				1	1	3		10
Billy Smith	20			1			1		1	1	2	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Weber gets in, as he's just a point out and literally closer to 2nd place, than he is to the next guys below him.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Weber gets in, as he's just a point out and literally closer to 2nd place, than he is to the next guys below him.

A no-brainer.

I voted Kasatanov way higher than anyone else. I had him first, nobody else had him higher than 6th. I need to consider if 1) I've hugely overrated him or 2) it's time to write a post explaining my reasoning.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

A no-brainer.

I voted Kasatanov way higher than anyone else. I had him first, nobody else had him higher than 6th. I need to consider if 1) I've hugely overrated him or 2) it's time to write a post explaining my reasoning.

#3: Both 1 and 2

 

[Professor What]

Suchy was so all over the map that nobody was a real outlier on him whatever their vote. Four #1s and four NR's. That's pretty unbelievable.

 

[seventieslord]

Suchy was so all over the map that nobody was a real outlier on him whatever their vote. Four #1s and four NR's. That's pretty unbelievable.

Yep. Actually his number of NRs is perfectly normal as you look down the list. It's his number of first place votes that really stands out.

He has a few big fans here.

 

[Weztex]

Suchy was so all over the map that nobody was a real outlier on him whatever their vote. Four #1s and four NR's. That's pretty unbelievable.

It's certainly an interesting snapshot of how difficult it is to judge different leagues and how much weight each individual is giving them. Funny thing is, the wild but balanced range we got on players like Suchy or Stuart probably ended up slotting them in pretty fair positions.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

A no-brainer.

I voted Kasatanov way higher than anyone else. I had him first, nobody else had him higher than 6th. I need to consider if 1) I've hugely overrated him or 2) it's time to write a post explaining my reasoning.

I had him 6th and his ranking here is the most disappointing part of this vote to me.

Top 5 were fine with me.

Had Laperriere at 153 on my original list.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I think Kasatonov got hit hard by the "should be below Suchy" card by a lot of people. Now that Suchy is in, I would expect voters to slowly warm up to him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Hawerchuk's placement makes sense given that he has consistently been voted next to Hooley and Laperriere. But his making the cut still feels slightly out-of-nowhere to me, given how little he was talked about relative to the other guys.

 

[bobholly39]

If we were graded as individual voters by how close our actual votes ended up being to the final group tally - I'm pretty confident i'd rank #1 or real close for the first few votes, but then absolute dead last for the last few.

Case in point - 15 of you had Recchi no higher than 7th, and most NR'd. I voted him 3rd.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Suchy was so all over the map that nobody was a real outlier on him whatever their vote. Four #1s and four NR's. That's pretty unbelievable.

Yep. Actually his number of NRs is perfectly normal as you look down the list. It's his number of first place votes that really stands out. He has a few big fans here.

As well he should(!)

If I had not been experiencing "all-you-can-eat" workplace Overtime IRL and had been able to participate in the project, he would have collected another First Place Vote from this quarter.

Actually, Suchý's support was trident-shaped. There was the quartet that had him #1, the quartet that placed him at the back end of the 'next-to-go-in' slot, and the quartet that found 10+ players more meritorious. All categories, including the last one, are understandable- because if one values sustained excellence and longevity, that conclusion is defensible.

Put it all together, and his placing in the mid-150s would be consistent with the worthiness of a mainstream Hall-of-Famer- meaning that there are well over one-hundred actual inductees with lesser merit. Suchý will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame while he lives- and only has a 'Hail Mary' chance of being inducted posthumously- a realization that by turns fills me with sadness and/or agitation.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 12

Player	Total	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	NR
Marian Hossa	89	1	2	3		4	1			3	2
Jonathan Toews	78	2	1	2	1	1	2	1	2			4
Mickey MacKay	78	1	2	1	1	1	4	2			1	3
Johnny Bucyk	76	2	2	1		1	3		2	1	1	3
Alexei Kasatonov	69		1	1	4	1		2		5		2
Henrik Zetterberg	68		1	2	3	1	1	2	1			5
Bryan Hextall	67	3	1	1		1	1	1	1		2	5
Georges Boucher	67	2	3	1	1		1					8
Lionel Conacher	67	1	2	2	1	1			2		4	3
Luc Robitaille	59	1			1	2	2	2	2	2	2	2
Moose Johnson	51	1		1	1	3		1		2		7
JC Tremblay	41		1	1	1		1	1	2	1		8
Mark Recchi	36	1						3	3	2	1	6
Billy Smith	34	1			2			1	1		3	8

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Top 4 get in, the rest go back in the hopper.

 

[MXD]

Great that there were 4 players detaching themselves (Sortof) from the rest, to compensate for the 6 players getting voted in last round.

.... Georges Boucher with a very painful 8 NR's.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm surprised that McKay got in with such little discussion (just like in the centers project!) but that Hextall has to wait.

I did not expect Recchi to finish 2nd to last, that's for sure.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Hextall with the most first place votes, doesn't get in.

Five players within two points of each other, how odd.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I'm surprised that McKay got in with such little discussion (just like in the centers project!) but that Hextall has to wait.

I did not expect Recchi to finish 2nd to last, that's for sure.

Agreed. Swap Hextall and MM and the list would have been spot on.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Agreed. Swap Hextall and MM and the list would have been spot on.

I had MacKay roughly where you suggested he should've landed, those 5 NR killed Hextall

Would've liked to have seem MacKay/Kopitar

 

[The Macho King]

I'm surprised that McKay got in with such little discussion (just like in the centers project!) but that Hextall has to wait.

I did not expect Recchi to finish 2nd to last, that's for sure.

When the discussion veered into how bad defensively Recchi was during his prime (answer: real bad), I figured that was curtains for him. He doesn't separate himself enough on his offense from the others up for voting to be that bad defensively.