Steve Yzerlland
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The real question is regardless of how you stack them, how do they rank against the other teams top 20 prospects? I would like to see that list. (Or maybe not )
1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Zadina
4. Berggren
5. Veleno
6. Johansson
7. Cholowski
8. Rasmussen
9. McIsaac
10. Mastrosimone
11. Bednar
12. Niederbach
13. Svechnikov
14. Wallinder
15. Cotton
16. Tuomisto
17. Hanas
18. Smith
19. Viro
20. Lindstrom
21. Phillips
22. Soderblom
23. Pearson
24. Grewe
25. Berglund
26. Tyutyaev
27. Petruzzelli
28. Barton
29. Larsson
30. Sebrango
31. Kivenmaki
I don’t understand how some of you have Mo at #1. Raymond and Zadina have higher upsides as impact players. Seider might develop into a #2, but it’s more likely he projects as a #3 guy. I can understand if you have Seider over Zadina if you’ve started to sour on Zadina for some reason, but Raymond is the best prospect in the organization with a bullet.
This is the stuff I mean. He’s not. We are setting ourselves up for massive disappointment if we assume these things about Seider. Could he develop into a #1 or even a top pairing guy, yes? But that is if everything goes as planned.
The real question is regardless of how you stack them, how do they rank against the other teams top 20 prospects? I would like to see that list. (Or maybe not )
Smallish winger vs 25-minute a night D.
Easy.
I do think our prospect pool is relatively deep, but that poll is a pretty bad indication because of the bias it has away from players who made the NHL quickly and are no longer “prospects”.On the polls section of HFboards, theyre doing a series of polls for best prospects in the league after the draft. The wings have 3 of the top 11, so its definitely not worth putting a sad face like that lol. Theyre the only team to have 3 top 11
I do think our prospect pool is relatively deep, but that poll is a pretty bad indication because of the bias it has away from players who made the NHL quickly and are no longer “prospects”.
Sure we have Zadina/Seider/Raymond who are all technically prospects but is that better than Kravtsov/Kakko/Lafreniere, or Dahlin/Cozens/Quinn, or Hughes/Podkolzin/Hoglander, or Smith/Hughes/Holtz, or Tkachuk/Stutzle/Sanderson?
I think the point I’m making is that we shouldn’t be comparing our prospects against others teams prospect at all. A much more useful comparison is our U23 core, for example. Are we top 5 in the NHL there? Probably not.Brady Tkachuk, Rasmus Dahlin and Quinn Hughes are no longer prospects. I see your point, though.
Honestly? I'd rank our top 3, top 5, and top 10 prospects easily in the top 5 of the NHL (Between 3 and 5 for most rankings).
The 2018 draft had an incredibly strong top 4 picks. The 2019 draft saw us really focus on improving our defense, and in 2020 we picked a lot of high end skill/skating combos in our first 3 picks, then our 3rd round looked pretty good in the skating department at the very least.
This is a great example of "your opinion".I don’t understand how some of you have Mo at #1. Raymond and Zadina have higher upsides as impact players. Seider might develop into a #2, but it’s more likely he projects as a #3 guy. I can understand if you have Seider over Zadina if you’ve started to sour on Zadina for some reason, but Raymond is the best prospect in the organization with a bullet.
I do think our prospect pool is relatively deep, but that poll is a pretty bad indication because of the bias it has away from players who made the NHL quickly and are no longer “prospects”.
Sure we have Zadina/Seider/Raymond who are all technically prospects but is that better than Kravtsov/Kakko/Lafreniere, or Dahlin/Cozens/Quinn, or Hughes/Podkolzin/Hoglander, or Smith/Hughes/Holtz, or Tkachuk/Stutzle/Sanderson?
I think the point I’m making is that we shouldn’t be comparing our prospects against others teams prospect at all. A much more useful comparison is our U23 core, for example. Are we top 5 in the NHL there? Probably not.
I’m not trying to discredit the Wings prospects at all, I’m just saying that if we are attempting to measure ourselves against the rest of the league in terms of the future potential of our franchise, then we should look at all young players and not arbitrarily exclude the ones that have made the NHL. Obviously drawing a hard line anywhere won’t be perfect, but it seems a lot more intuitive to draw that line based on age, not based on the best young players not currently in the NHL.No the wings prospect pool is not better than teams who have won the lottery and ended up picking first overall. The rangers have won back to back obviously theyre going to be better. That doesnt change the fact that the wings prospect pool is still really, really good. You can enjoy the fact that the wings are where they are without a first overall pick. Youre also ignoring the fact that some of these young guys are coming into much better situations than what the wings young guys can right now and so they arent playing on the team right now. Zadina couldve easily been playing on Vancouvers PP with Pettersson, JT Miller and others and put up 25-30 goals last year and you would be singing a differnet tune. Instead, he got a call up on a bad team and got to play with Neilsen and helm the majority of the time
As for your comparisons though, I would still take the wings trio over Vancouvers despite what Hughes has done as a young guy in the NHL. He still has that first overall shine but I'm not sure I would trade for New Jerseys trio either to be honest. Its a bit of a hot take but we'll see. Smith/Holtz dont really compare to Raymond/Seider as far as I'm concerned. Hughes is going to be good but that was a concerning rookie year for him
Where do you draw the line then? 23 conveniently leaves out 24 year old first line center/captain of an O6 team in Larkin. We can draw lines wherever we want to make certain things look better or worse. At the end of the day, Detroit has 3 of the top 11 players that this site is considering prospects without picking higher than 4th in the last 30 years