Player Discussion Tom Wilson - Part 2

[Silky mitts]

Every time there is an RFA I like, I start wondering if an offer sheet is in the works.

I call it Scott Stevens Phobia. I would believe it never happens if my favorite player wasn't snatched away.

Don't even think about it, GEORGE. GM of the year. What a joke.

They still need to reup Karlsson and Theordore, even a $4M AAV could be too much for them.

 

[hockeykicker]

fwiw here are the teams that can offer such and such for wilson. ignore the isles thing, i grabbed it off something else

 

[895]

They still need to reup Karlsson and Theordore, even a $4M AAV could be too much for them.

Clarkson is on LTIR. They have the space, the picks and the grudge. Obviously that doesn't mean they will do it.

 

[Silky mitts]

Clarkson is on LTIR. They have the space, the picks and the grudge. Obviously that doesn't mean they will do it.

Now that is circumventing the cap, I know it’s extremely legal but that’s the tricky cap thing that annoys me

 

[Calicaps]

Wilson is coming back. They are negotiating, and they will get it done. Caps drafted him way above his ranking and made him a Cup champ. They passed on arbitration to work with him in good faith. I don’t believe he’d sign an offer sheet at this point unless it was totally outrageous.

 

[RandyHolt]

It's so rare that it happens.... does he actually have to sign, for us to have to match the offer? FWR, I thought he just had to get an offer to put the pressure on us.

One could see how it would cause bad blood in the room, to ink it and they end up back with the team.

Barring an outlandish offer, I tend to think he wouldn't ink it, given the option to go back to back with Ovi. But an outlandish offer is what he would likely get, after adding cup winner to his resume.

 

[895]

5x5.5 is a pretty outlandish offer considering every 'insider' says we're looking at 3.5 to 4.5m

I'm not saying it's gonna happen but it's a possibility. And of course Wilson can just take the unsigned offer sheet to GMBM and say look at this. Pay me 5m or I sign it.

 

[txpd]

Wilson is coming back. They are negotiating, and they will get it done. Caps drafted him way above his ranking and made him a Cup champ. They passed on arbitration to work with him in good faith. I don’t believe he’d sign an offer sheet at this point unless it was totally outrageous.

Every year there is dear that an rfa will kill us or walk. It never happens. It won't this time.

 

[Silky mitts]

Every year there is dear that an rfa will kill us or walk. It never happens. It won't this time.

UFAs don't really get away either, Huet is the last guy I remember that they wanted

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

It's so rare that it happens.... does he actually have to sign, for us to have to match the offer? FWR, I thought he just had to get an offer to put the pressure on us.

One could see how it would cause bad blood in the room, to ink it and they end up back with the team.

Barring an outlandish offer, I tend to think he wouldn't ink it, given the option to go back to back with Ovi. But an outlandish offer is what he would likely get, after adding cup winner to his resume.

I believe he has to sign an offer sheet, it wouldnt Make sense otherwise

 

[hockeykicker]

Mailbag: What should Tom Wilson's contract look like?

I wouldn’t give Wilson more than $3.5 million for three years, and that’s factoring in his, ahem, upside. I bet he gets closer to $5.5 million and at least five seasons. This is an insane sport

 

[Calicaps]

Mailbag: What should Tom Wilson's contract look like?

“Ahem, upside”??

Guy’s a tool.

 

[895]

“Ahem, upside”??

Guy’s a tool.

What he means is: Tom Wilson injures players. It's not polite to acknowledge that this helps the Caps but it does, especially in a 7 game series. How much value you put on that is up to you.

 

[Calicaps]

What he means is: Tom Wilson injures players. It's not polite to acknowledge that this helps the Caps but it does, especially in a 7 game series. How much value you put on that is up to you.

 

[895]

So Ryan Lambert is a tool because...?

 

[Silky mitts]

Mailbag: What should Tom Wilson's contract look like?

No one in the media hates Wilson like this guy, and he'll still go 3x$3.5M. I want to go 4 or more at $4M AAV for Wilson and to me $500K of that is to not have to play against him.

 

[Calicaps]

So Ryan Lambert is a tool because...?

I was referring to your assumption that I needed his meaning explained to me. I don’t agree with him.

 

[895]

I was referring to your assumption that I needed his meaning explained to me. I don’t agree with him.

I'm confused. Which part do you not agree with?

You're saying Wilson doesn't injure players or that it doesn't have value?

Because both of those things are true for me. Wilson's hit on Visnovsky removed their most experienced PMD from the series.

 

[Calicaps]

I'm confused. Which part do you not agree with?

You're saying Wilson doesn't injure players or that it doesn't have value?

Because both of those things are true for me. Wilson's hit on Visnovsky removed their most experienced PMD from the series.

I don’t agree that the injuries are where Wilson’s value stems from. I believe, as I’ve stated clearly several times, that he brings a lot to the table without that. Indeed I hope he never injures anyone again. That would only increase his value because it would reduce his likelihood of penalties/suspensions.

 

[g00n]

Focusing on Wilson injuring a few players over 5 years in the course of racking up large hit counts is statistical folly as well as asinine whiny crap that opposing fans do.

Any Caps fan who knows what he/she is looking at can rattle off plenty of other stronger and much more relevant skills or values.

 

[895]

I don’t agree that the injuries are where Wilson’s value stems from. I believe, as I’ve stated clearly several times, that he brings a lot to the table without that. Indeed I hope he never actually injured anyone again. That would only increase his value because it would reduce his likelihood of penalties/suspensions.

It's not his main value but it's certainly part of it.

@RandyHolt noticed that after Oshie launched himself at Letang in a (in my opinion illegal but not suspendable) way, Letang played like crap for the entire rest of the series. That includes two terrible goals in game 5 that Letang's brain went missing on.

@g00n

He doesn't actually have to injure players that often. The fear of a Tom Wilson hit is enough sometimes.

 

[Silky mitts]

Focusing on Wilson injuring a few players over 5 years in the course of racking up large hit counts is statistical folly as well as asinine whiny crap that opposing fans do.

Any Caps fan who knows what he/she is looking at can rattle off plenty of other stronger and much more relevant skills or values.

In 10 full playoff series, Visnovsky - career ending injury, Aston-Reese - broken jaw, Dumoulin - probable concussion, Marchessault - had to leave game, level of play fell off. These were all turning points, impactful plays no one else could make in 40% of the series in which he has had a chance to make an impact and doesn't count stuff that lingers like the previous post about hitting Letang. And he did that to the Pens in 3 games!

 

[Calicaps]

Wilson's hits hurt. Badly. That's more than enough to create fear, panic, and a loss of confidence without anyone being injured. Oshie's hit is the perfect example. Letang didn't leave the game or even miss shifts. No injury. Fact is 9.78 out of ever 10 Willy hits are of that variety and have the same effect individually and cumulatively. Folks just focus on the injuries because they are dramatic and result in penalties and suspensions.

(Also you forgot Wennberg.)

 

[g00n]

In 10 full playoff series, Visnovsky - career ending injury, Aston-Reese - broken jaw, Dumoulin - probable concussion, Marchessault - had to leave game, level of play fell off. These were all turning points, impactful plays no one else could make in 40% of the series in which he has had a chance to make an impact and doesn't count stuff that lingers like the previous post about hitting Letang. And he did that to the Pens in 3 games!

Were those the only injuries sustained by anyone on either team in 10 playoff series? What is the ratio of hits to injuries for each player in those 10 series?

 

[Silky mitts]

Were those the only injuries sustained by anyone on either team in 10 playoff series? What is the ratio of hits to injuries for each player in those 10 series?

The other injuries that I recall this year where guys had to leave the game in playoffs were for Kuzy's and Backstrom's wrists, and those were awkward hits more than dirty or excessive, and Oshie broke Miller's nose but I don't think he missed a shift. The Wilson hits are a different breed, like the Aston Reese hit, he hits ZARs shoulder, then his jaw, turns him into a lower case r, then Wilson leaves his feet. What kind of force is that? If ZAR disappeared I'm not sure Wilson doesn't go like 20' in the air.