Tom Wilson episode against the Rangers #4 (UPD: Fined $5k for roughing Buchnevich)

[bobc222]

Wow victim hood on steroids.
Too bad the smashed skull thing never came close to happening.

Not victim hood, I don't know if you have been over to the Caps board or not, but there has been open mocking of Panarin. So nice try on that one first of all.

Second, the smashed skull was actually about an inch from happening. Not sure if you actually watched the video with Panarin and Wilson or not, but had Panarin's shoulders contacted the ice about .2 seconds later, his head would have hit the ice first (the skull is inside the head, FYI). Don't know how you can say "never came close" when it was an inch away.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

Hockey used to be much much much much much much much more violent

Slavery used to exist.

They used to play hockey and football without helmets.

The goal of society is to progress over time. Things changes.

Try and keep up.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

According to Forbes the Rangers were the most valuable franchise in the league in 2020, valued at $1.65 billion. And also bring in the most revenue with $225 million.

Even if Forbes' numbers aren't exact the Rangers have to be near the top of the list.

But I don't know if the Rangers owner is inner circle in the way some owners have had outsized influence with Bettman, like Jeremy Jacobs.

For sure, it’s difficult to ascertain. There’s revenue, and then there’s shit behind the curtains. Difficult to know for sure, but they have to be near the top, so their statement carries a lot of weight.

 

[Furio]

I’d love to read the internal email chain between DOPS employees. Wouldn’t shock me if they mocked the Rangers for overreacting the way Colin Campbell did with the Cooke Savard incident...

 

[Crease]

ITT: Caps fans wondering why everyone on the planet has gone insane except them.

 

[Caps8112]

Maybe in Washington that's the case....

Guessing on the avatar, but you really want to tell me the penguins get more coverage then the steelers? Hockey might be getting slightly more coverage at the moment because of the incident but it will be short lived

 

[desmondtootoo]

I know I’m not the one you were responding to, but I would like to point something out. You’re right, there’s typically nothing wrong with having a different opinion than another individual. However, this isn’t solely the opinion of a single individual, it’s the opinion of most of HFB posters, NHL commentators, NHL insiders, former players, etc… at some point, you have to question whether your opinion is misguided and reevaluate why you have a different opinion than the majority of people. Is it fandom? Is it from personal experience? Is it a defense mechanism? Is it a fear of the NHL changing from how you enjoy the game? Regardless of the reason, give it some thought.

I’m wary of anyone who announces “everybody agrees with me” with zero proof / data. Any kid can announce this.

 

[93LEAFS]

Obviously, some organizations have more pull than others in the league. I'd like to think the Rags have to be top 5, no?

1/2) Tor/Mtl
3/4) Bos/DRW
5/6) NYR/Chicago
7/8) Pens/Flyers
9/10) Oilers/Islanders

Either way, it's a big statement coming from one of the top historic organizations in hockey.

Rangers/MTL/Leafs actually have limited pull within the NHL. Bettman builds his power by appeasing the smaller market teams, since he needs 23 votes for issues to pass. You think Leafs, Rangers and Montreal wanted a full season lockout in 2004/05? or even the 34 games one in 2012/13? Revenue sharing? Collectivized retail/apparel agreements? Now, they still have a say since Leafs Ownership has the local tv rights for every Canadian team and the national TV deal, and MSG I believe has 4 of the American teams local deals. But, the most powerful owner in the NHL is Jeremy Jacobs, which therefore gives Boston the most pull.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

How, by having a different opinion than you ? That’s kind of a childish description.

you love to play the victim eh lol...you entered this thread calling people dumb essentially for their opinions about the Wilson incident , and now you're crying again because someone has the opinion that you''re opinion is silly

 

[Paradoc]

What the f*** NHL and DOPS??

I just heard the news they fined Wilson 5k.

What a joke. He deserved a far worse punishment.

 

[bobc222]

ITT: Caps fans wondering why everyone on the planet has gone insane except them.

"Why is everyone driving on the wrong side of the road?"

 

[berlin]

I am on topic you dumb shit.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

And nobody bats an eye. It's hilarious.

So you’re choosing to ignore the context there because Konecny clearly headlocks Crosby and drives his head into the ice immediately before he does the same.

 

[desmondtootoo]

Most teams and their fans endeavor to win cups.

Exactly why some were thinking that Wilson has done better than Panarin, so far.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

And nobody bats an eye. It's hilarious.

@Chokingdogs

Why would anyone treat it the same? He doesn't pull a standing man backwards by pulling his hair, yanking his head backwards and aiming to drive a man's head into the ice when he doesn't have a helmet

In this case Crosby pushes someone's helmeted head toward the ice a couple times after taking him down from a kneeling position.

Not even remotely the same.

 

[smack66]

I do realize that but I dont believe for a second that Canada is going to suddenly not watch hockey or protest due to actions of Tom Wilson. I'm being serious, for those who keep saying this is a big deal, what can happen? The original 6 going to break off and form their own league? The nhl can't afford to have anything happen right now

you are right that it wont impact immediate viewership but the negative press hurts and if you dont recognize the longterm impacts of the NHl headlines being about Tom Wilson injuring someone rather then McDavid or Ovie scoring then I doubt I can sway your opinion. this makes the NHL look Bush league and likely impacts their ability to attract fringe fans. had they simply done what is viewed by most which would be suspend Wilson this would be a non event but Parros,DOPS and Bettman have made this a story and it's a story they dont want.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Slavery used to exist.

They used to play hockey and football without helmets.

The goal of society is to progress over time. Things changes.

Try and keep up.

slavery seems like the logical comparison to me

 

[Coaches Coroner]

ITT: Caps fans wondering why everyone on the planet has gone insane except them.

they sound like Qanon people "embracing infamy". They manage to simultaneously be attacking everyone who disagrees with them, and portray themselves as victims because others disagree with them.

 

[cutchemist42]

This sport is a joke.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

So you’re choosing to ignore the context there because Konecny clearly headlocks Crosby and drives his head into the ice immediately before he does the same.

But I thought smashing heads into ice was a no no? Or does that only apply to Wilson?

 

[Big Shot]

You really believe a bunch of guys from the minors would be up for this. I'm sure tough guys from the minors would be more then happy to go with Wilson in the right situation but doubt these players would have much interest in a revenge plot they had nothing to do with. Also how many "dirty arseholes" do the rangers employ

Yes I do and I’ll tell you why, these guys all want a chance to play in the SHOW and try
and get a BIG NHL CONTRACT!!

These guys are hungry and they will go thru the wall for a chance to play in the NHL.
Think about it. Opportunity knocks and they don’t get many.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Exactly why some were thinking that Wilson has done better than Panarin, so far.

Team accomplishments don’t determine who the better individual is. Thornton hasn’t won a Cup but Wilson will never be better.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I’m wary of anyone who announces “everybody agrees with me” with zero proof / data. Any kid can announce this.

That’s fair. Hyperbole is distractive. I generally ignore it and debate the central premise.

 

[HanSolo]

Hockey used to be much much much much much much much more violent

Yeah and that's how it should've stayed, right?

 

[HawksBeerFan]

slavery seems like the logical comparison to me

Society in general used to be more violent. All sports used to be more violent.

Judging a current action based upon something that happened decades ago is not logical.

Is that explanation easy enough for you to understand?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

But I thought smashing heads into ice was a no no? Or does that only apply to Wilson?

Both players should see supplemental discipline but as the league has shown, they’re okay with that. That’s sort of the problem genius.