Confirmed with Link: Toffoli to CGY for Emil Heineman, Tyler Pitlick, top-10 protect 1st '22 (or 1st+4th '23) and 5th '24

[calder candidate]

I don't see why we had to trade him now... Unless he wanted out...
He was performing and is on great contract... Based on performance, contract and pedigree Toffoli was worth a 1st... At worst he would have been worth a 2nd and a Heinemen type prospect... Pitlick and a 5th isn't anything worth mentionning...

Odds of getting a player that is better or equal to Toffoli is probably somewhere between 39.8%-13,6%
Heinemen isn't a sure thing and was never really seen as a guy with a high ceilling so might not have any impact at the NHL level...
Pitlick is a 30yo UFA and 5th is pretty worth less and the 5th is likely to compensate for picking up Pitlick Salary...
So there is almost almost a 60% odds that we traded Toffoli for nothing, considering we dind't have to trade him I kind of suprised.

It does put MSL in a tuff spot since next year will be ruff... But the one thing that is positive is that this is a pretty big sign that the plan is a full rebuild and probably put some pressure on other team to start making moves which could help us out with Petry or Chariot.

 

[OldCraig71]

Michael Farber on TSN690 earlier said that the MSL era means the end of zombie hockey. That's one way to put how the Habs have looked like this season on the ice.

We need skill and speed in the worst way, I just want to see a few passes executed in a game, there is no flow to the way we play hockey and it has been like that for a very long time.

 

[KevSkillz4]

This guy is right:

 

[salbutera]

 

[Milhouse40]

Just to be stubborn

1
All teams missing the playoffs are in the Lottery
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Teams with the least points get more chances at winning the Lottery
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The 1st overall pick is awarded by a drawing of ping pong balls. A team can only jump ten spots, so only the top 11 teams are eligible for the 1st pick. If a team in the 12-16 range wins the first drawing, the first pick will remain with the worst team.
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The 2nd overall pick is awarded by a drawing of ping pong balls. If a team in the 12-16 range won the first drawing, the worst team keeps the 1st pick and is excluded from the second drawing. Like the first drawing, the second winner can only jump ten spots.
5
Teams are only allowed to improve their positioning via the Lottery twice in a five year period (beginning with the 2022 Lottery).
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Ties are broken by teams' total number of regulation wins (RW), regulation and non-shootout overtime wins (ROW), and then head-to-head if still tied
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Playoff teams that did not win their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks
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Playoff teams that won their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks
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Conference finals losers sorted by points are assigned picks 29 and 30
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Stanley Cup runner-up is assigned pick 31
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Stanley Cup champion is assigned pick 32

Unless the rules has changed,
NHL Draft Rules | Lines.com

 

[Engelwood]

2022. Confused me too since it's top-10 protected and the Flames are nowhere close to that bad.

What happens if their goalie or Johnny Hockey gets hurt for a significant period of time. Well their pick could be top 10.

 

[zx81]

Pitlick is a salary cap dump.
A 5th round pick is nothing.
The prospect was not even in the Flames top 10 list.

It's basically TT for a late 1st round pick.
Not sure why I should be impressed.
It's ok I guess but TT was one of the few players I still liked on this team and one of the few with a decent contract.

Anyway, the fire sale has started.

I understand that a rebuild is necessary to clean up the mess but no way I'm going to pretend that I'm excited by the idea. This f***ing sucks.

 

[Tuna99]

Great trade for the Habs - to think they had Toffoli for a year and then trade him for so many assets.

Montreal needs depth more then anything and that’s why I like the trade. Lots of pieces and they need lots of Help everywhere

 

[covfefe]

I'd be shocked if they didn't make the playoffs. They are already a good team and they just got a great top 6 player. It will be a late 1st.

I'm not saying they'll miss the playoffs, I'm saying that the West is tight and the order of the Pacific is up for grabs. Calgary doesn't have a straight shot to 2nd round at all.

 

[Tuna99]

Also like the trade for Calgary because Toffoli just scores and he scores well in the playoffs. Montreal won the trade but Calgary got a pure shooter and an extra goal here or there for Sutter in a playoff series means the world to his teams. Calgary has a good team and Toffoli helps with that one shot finish that they needed on the PP

 

[McPhees Moustache]

Unless the rules has changed,
NHL Draft Rules | Lines.com

It has - look at last years draft
Toronto and Pittsburgh (Regular season division winners) lost in the first round but their traded 1st round picks were 25th and 26th respectively

 

[The Great Weal]

I'm not saying they'll miss the playoffs, I'm saying that the West is tight and the order of the Pacific is up for grabs. Calgary doesn't have a straight shot to 2nd round at all.

Maybe we should trade Chiarot to the Kings for their 1st and hopefully one of them don't make the playoffs

 

[The Last Red]

I don't see why we had to trade him now... Unless he wanted out...
He was performing and is on great contract... Based on performance, contract and pedigree Toffoli was worth a 1st... At worst he would have been worth a 2nd and a Heinemen type prospect... Pitlick and a 5th isn't anything worth mentionning...

Odds of getting a player that is better or equal to Toffoli is probably somewhere between 39.8%-13,6%
Heinemen isn't a sure thing and was never really seen as a guy with a high ceilling so might not have any impact at the NHL level...
Pitlick is a 30yo UFA and 5th is pretty worth less and the 5th is likely to compensate for picking up Pitlick Salary...
So there is almost almost a 60% odds that we traded Toffoli for nothing, considering we dind't have to trade him I kind of suprised.

It does put MSL in a tuff spot since next year will be ruff... But the one thing that is positive is that this is a pretty big sign that the plan is a full rebuild and probably put some pressure on other team to start making moves which could help us out with Petry or Chariot.

You really don’t get it, do you? I like Toffoli, I really do but every veteran save Anderson should moved if possible.

 

[Price is Wright]

What about the Florida Panthers’ evaluation? They’re the ones who considered him worthy of a 2nd round pick not so long ago.

They also gave him up.

Who knows. Three teams have liked him. Two have traded him away. Hard to say what that means.

 

[Miller Time]

Maybe we should trade Chiarot to the Kings for their 1st and hopefully one of them don't make the playoffs

That would be some Pollock type work if Hughes could target the Oilers, Kings, Ducks in moving other vets, while getting at least 1-2 of their 1st round picks in the process.

 

[bsl]

Top 10 protected

God everyone please stop posting tweets. It is slowing the pages down massively

 

[Phil Parent]

Habs might be betting on Calgary somehow collapsing hard enough that they pick Top 10 this year, losing Johnny Hockey in the offseason, and getting an ever better pick the following year.

 

[OnTheRun]

This guy is right:

Or not really.

It's a pretty silly proposition to assume equal value for a pick in the 20~32 range and a D+2 or D+3 prospects even if the prospects originate from that range. If you have the benefit of hindsight on the latter.

 

[Geecko]

After the 3 Pitlicks and the 2 Kostitsyns, let's get the 1 Bedard.

 

[Hansman]

Don't know the players - but really happy about the first.

still possible Flames miss out playoffs, and if so theres a chance this ends up a non-protected 1st in 2023. Would love to target more similar 1st round picks this year

or 11th O.A. this year would be sweet if they falter.

 

[themilosh]

I don't see why we had to trade him now... Unless he wanted out...
He was performing and is on great contract... Based on performance, contract and pedigree Toffoli was worth a 1st... At worst he would have been worth a 2nd and a Heinemen type prospect... Pitlick and a 5th isn't anything worth mentionning...

Odds of getting a player that is better or equal to Toffoli is probably somewhere between 39.8%-13,6%
Heinemen isn't a sure thing and was never really seen as a guy with a high ceilling so might not have any impact at the NHL level...
Pitlick is a 30yo UFA and 5th is pretty worth less and the 5th is likely to compensate for picking up Pitlick Salary...
So there is almost almost a 60% odds that we traded Toffoli for nothing, considering we dind't have to trade him I kind of suprised.

It does put MSL in a tuff spot since next year will be ruff... But the one thing that is positive is that this is a pretty big sign that the plan is a full rebuild and probably put some pressure on other team to start making moves which could help us out with Petry or Chariot.

you're forgetting that Tofu departure opens up an NHL spot for our youngsters to play more. I'm sure MSL was part of the decision, and I'm sure tofu indicated he'd like to try playing elsewhere instead of ending his career in a rebuild (if I were him I would request a trade too). as of today, I believe we got the highest return we could, no way any other team pays more closer to deadline notwithstanding.

 

[themilosh]

Toffoli really surpassed expections last year. For me, it's a case of "sell high". Not a lot of guys here would give a 1st and a 2nd for 2 1/2 years of Toffoli. Plus, it's to make room for Caufield on RW.

And I was chastised for wanting to sell Domi after the first year - where his numbers were downright crazy. Selling high is the best thing a manager can do.

 

[GrandBison]

And I was chastised for wanting to sell Domi after the first year - where his numbers were downright crazy. Selling high is the best thing a manager can do.

When stats don't say it all, it's a good thing. We got pretty fair value for a player that won't be better with time. We will need cap and contracts space and the RW is fully loaded. Make sense for the rebuild even if I really liked Toffoli time in Montreal.

 

[Scriptor]

Habs might be betting on Calgary somehow collapsing hard enough that they pick Top 10 this year, losing Johnny Hockey in the offseason, and getting an ever better pick the following year.

Yeah, that's the plan. Sure...

Better yet, they sign Johnny Hockey to make that happen...

Cut the Whacky Tabacky...

 

[dinodebino]

NOW, we will see who here will be patient and who will want a quick retool instead.