Confirmed with Link: Toffoli to CGY for Emil Heineman, Tyler Pitlick, top-10 protect 1st '22 (or 1st+4th '23) and 5th '24

[McPhees Moustache]

Purely speculative but they will have to pass Colorado and Vegas which will also add (Eichel is coming in Vegas).
It could very well happen, but odds are they will not.

Don’t have to pass Colorado, only Vegas whom they currently have better winning percentage than

 

[Max2]

The habs traded a toffifee for a heineken. I'd do that all day long!

 

[Milhouse40]

Don’t have to pass Colorado, only Vegas whom they currently have better winning percentage than

Darft order for the PO teams depends on how far you go. They most likely won't be a wildcard team so they will have to beat Vegas at some point but there's a lot of hockey to play, an injury to Markstrom for 10-15 games could put them in the wildcard spot, then having to face Colorado.

 

[covfefe]

Don’t have to pass Colorado, only Vegas whom they currently have better winning percentage than

On the other side of the coin, Calgary only has a smidge of breathing room over the Ducks/Kings, with the Oilers not yet out of the equation either.

 

[Naslund]

According to many here, Bergevin won all his trades. Look at the organization he left behind in spite of all these "wins". Rebuilding is the only solution. Mtl is not Vegas or the Rangers. Players are never going to make backflips to come play here. Whether or not Hughes and Gorton will succeed is the question. I have more confidence in this duo than in other manager I have seen in my lifetime following the Habs (since the mid-80s).

 

[Mandalorian]

More than 50% of draft you get a really good player in the 23-30 range. Think Pastrnak, Oshie, Carlson, Perry, Perron, Kuznetsov, Danault, Theodore, etc. If the rebuild is to be succesful, our drafting will have to improve and it’s a good guess if its the case to bet that late 1st turn into something useful. Just have to have the scouting department bright enough to bet on the right project. Of course not a sexy pick like a top 10 but those usually have really high value on the market and only go for elite player.

 

[Tyson]

That’s exactly the type of skill we’re after and we’ll have a little wiggle room with Toffoli’s salary off the books.

During the last game Laval vs Syracuse Ylonen was on the ice on the PP and Syracuse got an odd man rush and Ylonen took off and skated to back check and he easily caught the guy.
He has to be considered one of the best Skaters in the organization. Promising stuff.

 

[Engelwood]

1) What do you expect when drafting late in the first round? I expect a Lehkonen type of player. You tell me I overrate Toffoli and I tell you that you overrate late 1st round picks.

2) I aim for a prospect who projects to have close to the same impact offensively as Toffoli. A guy with that upside, no matter the bust risk.

3) I like the idea of Tyler Pitlick, but he's been injured for the most part of two years now. This is clearly a cap dump.

4) A 5th to compensate for the probability of losing Pitlick for nothing.

Again, this is a situation where CGY had to pay up, we are not getting rid of a bad contract.

I don't think CGY ever sweated this one. They take this and run.

1) No you are hoping for a late first round steal: Brodeur at 20, Koivu or Rask at 21, Eberle or Foote at 22, Mike Richards or Briere at 24, Pastrnak at 25, C Lemieux or Palffy at 26, Nieuwendyk at 27, Mike Richter, Corey Perry at 28
2) You are not going to get a 1st pick and a grade A prospect for a 30 year old goal scorer that will only get slower
3) It is a cap dump. That is more than obvious
4) The 5th is just a 5th, maybe to take the cap dump

 

[GrandBison]

Toffoli really surpassed expections last year. For me, it's a case of "sell high". Not a lot of guys here would give a 1st and a 2nd for 2 1/2 years of Toffoli. Plus, it's to make room for Caufield on RW.

 

[BLONG7]

Again, I'm one of the original pro-tankers on this board. But I don't really like the value obtained by Huge on this trade.

Losing a 25 goal scorer doesn't matter in our current situation, but maximizing what you get in return does.

Waiting until the deadline, could also be vonsidered a game of chicken...and we all remember, the Isles did this, and MB got Vanek for a 2nd on deadline day.....
So waiting, can end up very sad.....slippery slope.

I like the deal, the 1st is the key for me, then the prospect, the other pick and Pitlick are ok.

 

[Nedved]

More than 50% of draft you get a really good player in the 23-30 range. Think Pastrnak, Oshie, Carlson, Perry, Perron, Kuznetsov, Danault, Theodore, etc. If the rebuild is to be succesful, our drafting will have to improve and it’s a good guess if its the case to bet that late 1st turn into something useful. Just have to have the scouting department bright enough to bet on the right project. Of course not a sexy pick like a top 10 but those usually have really high value on the market and only go for elite player.

We haven't seemed to draft many great players in the first couple rounds. I'm curious how this year's draft plays out for us.

 

[The Great Weal]

On the other side of the coin, Calgary only has a smidge of breathing room over the Ducks/Kings, with the Oilers not yet out of the equation either.

I'd be shocked if they didn't make the playoffs. They are already a good team and they just got a great top 6 player. It will be a late 1st.

 

[Mandalorian]

We haven't seemed to draft many great players in the first couple rounds. I'm curious how this year's draft plays out for us.

I hope an effort will be made to seriously improve the amateur scouting department moving forward.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

Darft order for the PO teams depends on how far you go. They most likely won't be a wildcard team so they will have to beat Vegas at some point but there's a lot of hockey to play, an injury to Markstrom for 10-15 games could put them in the wildcard spot, then having to face Colorado.

Just to be stubborn

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The 1st overall pick is awarded by a drawing of ping pong balls. A team can only jump ten spots, so only the top 11 teams are eligible for the 1st pick. If a team in the 12-16 range wins the first drawing, the first pick will remain with the worst team.
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[Engelwood]

This trade is really mehhh.

Flames have the 9th best % in the NHL right now.

So we'd get pick 24.

I would have prefered to go after a pick closer to 15.

A Team near 15 pick is not going to give up their first for Toffoli as they are in that treadmill position and need more prospects usually. They are looking from the outside in(Detroit, Anahiem, Vancouver)

 

[Adam Michaels]

Does anyone know when was the last time the Habs got a 1st round pick in a trade?

 

[The Great Weal]

Does anyone know when was the last time the Habs got a 1st round pick in a trade?

2007 right? And 2008 was the last time they traded a 1st rounder.

 

[Mandalorian]

Does anyone know when was the last time the Habs got a 1st round pick in a trade?

Rivet for the 2007 1st I think?

 

[salbutera]

Does anyone know when was the last time the Habs got a 1st round pick in a trade?

2007 I think

 

[Engelwood]

3 things I got from that clip. He's a big boy. He can skate. He has a good shot.

He seems to read the play well, gets a bunch of breakaways.

 

[Adam Michaels]

2007 right? And 2008 was the last time they traded a 1st rounder.

Rivet for the 2007 1st I think?

2007 I think

Thanks. So it's been 15 years since the Habs got a 1st in a trade.

@The Great Weal it was the last time they traded one before MB traded one for Dvorak.

 

[The Great Weal]

Best thing about this deal is that management seems to have a vision for once. I'll take sacrificing value for a proper direction to a rebuild any time over winning as many trades as possible.

 

[Milhouse40]

Does anyone know when was the last time the Habs got a 1st round pick in a trade?

Kotkaniemi

 

[tazsub3]

Toffoli really surpassed expections last year. For me, it's a case of "sell high". Not a lot of guys here would give a 1st and a 2nd for 2 1/2 years of Toffoli. Plus, it's to make room for Caufield on RW.

plus to clear a decent amount on next year cap that you can either add a player with, or take a cap dump and an asset for

 

[26Mats]

Man this puts MSL in a tough spot. I hope no one brings up the team's record at the end of the year, or anything we see on the ice, when it comes to evaluating him.

Already a bad team, not their best goal scorer is traded for a grinder and futures...