Speculation: Toews

[Space umpire]

Alright, let me do 15 seconds of research to confirm and... confirmed. Bolland's 2nd contract was signed June 29th, 2009. Buff's was signed May 31st, 2008 -- a year before the snafu. Versteeg and Barker were both signed in early July, after the June 29th deadline for the RFA QOs to be filed.

Tallon takes blame

After what he deemed “a hectic week,” general manager Dale Tallon took responsibility for a paperwork foul-up that put the Blackhawks in a bad light and could have cost them a number of…

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Yes, Byfuglien wasn’t part of it. Bolland, Barker, Versteeg were. Eager signed with no raise but Fraser got a 40% bump (500k to 700k) while still a part time player.
The goof up cost at least 1 and possibly 2 players from being kept after 2010.

 

[TheFridge]

Yes, Byfuglien wasn’t part of it. Bolland, Barker, Versteeg were. Eager signed with no raise but Fraser got a 40% bump (500k to 700k) while still a part time player.
The goof up cost at least 1 and possibly 2 players from being kept after 2010.

Bolland was signed before the QO deadline. He was not part of the screw up. That negotiation was done.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

IMHO next year is a huge one for the organization. All the the distractions (sex scandal, shakeups, coaching changes) of the past 2 years will be in the rear view mirror. Toews could be a hugely positive influence with the youngsters. Then again, unless he's willing to play the mentoring role, it's time for him to move on.

Toews is going to do nothing but whine about how he’s not co-GM anymore. Tell him to retire.

 

[BHawk21]

Two things can be true at once.

Toews could have been correct about Bowmans rebuild/retool being bad timing and having no direction. He also was right about JC being a doofus.

Even though he has been right about it his was of expressing it to the public comes off poorly. Maybe he doesnt care how it makes him look.

The same thing he has been praised for his whole life, his will to win, is now being looked at as a detriment. I dont blame him. Hes still my favorite player of all time. Until i hear players on his team say something bad about him I just think its noise.

 

[BobbyJet]

Two things can be true at once.

Toews could have been correct about Bowmans rebuild/retool being bad timing and having no direction. He also was right about JC being a doofus.

Even though he has been right about it his was of expressing it to the public comes off poorly. Maybe he doesnt care how it makes him look.

The same thing he has been praised for his whole life, his will to win, is now being looked at as a detriment. I dont blame him. Hes still my favorite player of all time. Until i hear players on his team say something bad about him I just think its noise.

It seems many Hawks fans are quite willing to throw any vet under the bus when their play inevitably tapers off. Even the team captain who led the team in its most glorious years in the history of the franchise. Quite sad.

 

[DoubleRinger]

I think Toews has earned the right to speak honestly. The disrespect he gets from a few armchair vegetables is unconscionable.

agreed

 

[Giovi]

Two things can be true at once.

Toews could have been correct about Bowmans rebuild/retool being bad timing and having no direction. He also was right about JC being a doofus.

Even though he has been right about it his was of expressing it to the public comes off poorly. Maybe he doesnt care how it makes him look.

The same thing he has been praised for his whole life, his will to win, is now being looked at as a detriment. I dont blame him. Hes still my favorite player of all time. Until i hear players on his team say something bad about him I just think its noise.

It seems many Hawks fans are quite willing to throw any vet under the bus when their play inevitably tapers off. Even the team captain who led the team in its most glorious years in the history of the franchise. Quite sad.

The treatment here of a guy who is a franchise icon is pitiful. I understand frustration over his contributions weighed against his paycheck. But the lack of respect for a guy who lead the best Hawk team ever through a dynasty is f***ing shameful.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

The treatment here of a guy who is a franchise icon is pitiful. I understand frustration over his contributions weighed against his paycheck. But the lack of respect for a guy who lead the best Hawk team ever through a dynasty is f***ing shameful.

He did it to himself. The last 8-12 months have not been a good look, between defending the suits when what they did was indefensible and whining like a petulant child.

 

[Giovi]

He did it to himself. The last 8-12 months have not been a good look, between defending the suits when what they did was indefensible and whining like a petulant child.

Show me where he defended any one of them.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Show me where he defended any one of them.

"Stan is a good guy-19/88"

You just can't say that in that moment.

Sounds like a defense to me.

 

[Giovi]

"Stan is a good guy-19/88"

You just can't say that in that moment.

Sounds like a defense to me.

I believe he said he had a good relationship with Stan. I'll need to see where he said exactly what you're saying he said.

 

[hawksrule]

The treatment here of a guy who is a franchise icon is pitiful. I understand frustration over his contributions weighed against his paycheck. But the lack of respect for a guy who lead the best Hawk team ever through a dynasty is f***ing shameful.

Sports is a what have you done for me lately business, and always has been. Big picture, Toews is treated just fine. He’s not looking to trade lives or bank accounts with anyone who posts here, and if he even knows about hf, I guarantee he wouldn’t give a shit what anyone posts here.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Toews has been toast for 3 years. That he is unable to accept that is a problem many pro athletes have when their skills diminish. I imagine it is sad and all but I am a fan of the Hawks not just Toews. His whole resume of his contract(s)will be in the equation for the player he was for me. Personally you can choose to cherry pick what you want to remember as it is your life. But look at his play and stats the last half of this contract and you will see he is just a meh C. Early on in his career super….later he fell off a cliff. Doesn’t mean I am not going to dog him because in 2010 he did x or y. His underperforming (and Seabs)to the contract is a big big part of why we are in full rebuild rather than reset. Part is their fault and a big part is Stan and how he overpaid and gave out NMC like it was candy at Halloween.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Toews has been toast for 3 years. That he is unable to accept that is a problem many pro athletes have when their skills diminish. I imagine it is sad and all but I am a fan of the Hawks not just Toews. His whole resume of his contract(s)will be in the equation for the player he was for me. Personally you can choose to cherry pick what you want to remember as it is your life. But look at his play and stats the last half of this contract and you will see he is just a meh C. Early on in his career super….later he fell off a cliff. Doesn’t mean I am not going to dog him because in 2010 he did x or y. His underperforming (and Seabs)to the contract is a big big part of why we are in full rebuild rather than reset. Part is their fault and a big part is Stan and how he overpaid and gave out NMC like it was candy at Halloween.

The last half of this contract?

He has been complete ass for the entirety of this contract...outside of that one year where he was completely carried by Kane

 

[Putt Pirate]

The last half of this contract?

He has been complete ass for the entirety of this contract...outside of that one year where he was completely carried by Kane

I was trying to be kind. He had a medical deal and all so that is in there where I cut some slack. But that contract has been THE albatross for the Hawks for nearly the entirety of it. If he doesn’t get that then he is either too entitled to see it or maybe he is trying and it isn’t happening for him. It lots of shifts he sure doesn’t seem to try hard.

 

[BobbyJet]

I was trying to be kind. He had a medical deal and all so that is in there where I cut some slack. But that contract has been THE albatross for the Hawks for nearly the entirety of it. If he doesn’t get that then he is either too entitled to see it or maybe he is trying and it isn’t happening for him. It lots of shifts he sure doesn’t seem to try hard.

So for every ridiculous contract that Stan offered (and there were quite a few, some worse than others) many folks here blame it on the player. The worst cases were the contracts of Bickell, with Seabs and with Toews.... and it took f***ing years for many of you folks to acknowledge that Stan was the incompetent one but yet continue to this day to blame the players for not living up to the inflated numbers and the NMCs gifted.

 

[TheFridge]

So for every ridiculous contract that Stan offered (and there were quite a few, some worse than others) many folks here blame it on the player. The worst cases were the contracts of Bickell, with Seabs and with Toews.... and it took f***ing years for many of you folks to acknowledge that Stan was the incompetent one but yet continue to this day to blame the players for not living up to the inflated numbers and the NMCs gifted.

That’s part of the deal. No one is going to fault a player for taking as much money as they can get or signing a contract they’re offered. However with that comes expectations relative to the contract size. If you’re being paid as a top-10 player in the league, you need to be a top-10 player. It’s a cap league. Can’t win in a cap league if you have a bunch of guys not living up to the value of their deals.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

You just know Toews had his fingerprints all over those Bickell and Seabrook deals too...he was a Stan guy.

If he'd been born 10-20 years earlier you know he'd be a Wirtz guy like Savard

 

[BHawk21]

You just know Toews had his fingerprints all over those Bickell and Seabrook deals too...he was a Stan guy.

If he'd been born 10-20 years earlier you know he'd be a Wirtz guy like Savard

haha your committed to the bit

 

[Giovi]

You just know Toews had his fingerprints all over those Bickell and Seabrook deals too...he was a Stan guy.

If he'd been born 10-20 years earlier you know he'd be a Wirtz guy like Savard

Blaming a player for other players' contracts.

Congratulations, you've hit the bottom.

 

[TheFridge]

Blaming a player for other players' contracts.

Congratulations, you've hit the bottom.

Well tbf, peak Toews made a lot of players around him better. He does bear some blame.

 

[BK]

You just know Toews had his fingerprints all over those Bickell and Seabrook deals too...he was a Stan guy.

If he'd been born 10-20 years earlier you know he'd be a Wirtz guy like Savard

This is just absurd.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

throw any vet under the bus when their play inevitably tapers off.

Taper >

Cliff 19

 

[Northernhawk]

Well tbf, peak Toews made a lot of players around him better. He does bear some blame.

Team success equaled pay raises…

Bickell was a beast in 2013, got paid, Seabrook is a leader, got paid after Keith had signed his extension

Lots of teams are paying players for what they might do, Hawks paid players for what they did…

Look at Ottawa and Edmonton after making the finals they paid players and never made it back…

I’ll take this mess we’re in now for what it got us beforehand

 

[ColbyChaos]

People were pretty quick to point out that Bickell and Seabrook didnt deserve the raises they got either via short sample sizes (Bickell) or just being signed for way too damn long (Seabrook)