Todd Bertuzzi-Steve Moore incident, 20 years later

[Grifter3511]

I'm surprised Kadri wasn't pulled out of middle school and suspended.



Complete garbage hit, Moore definitely deserved to get his ass beaten but not his career ended.

I'm a canucks fan. I was a canucks fan when this happened. It's a pretty mild hit by 2004 standards.

On the flip side, Bertuzzi's retribution was a case of bad luck. There's been much worse moments in the game that were just fortunate not to have as shitty an outcome as Bertuzzi on Moore.

 

[LemonSauceD]

How about these?

Steve Moore deserved getting jumped. Shit happens all the time in the NHL. Do dumb shit and see what happens. Him being out 8-2 in the 3rd period meant he was going to be out there likely looking for trouble.

What he didn’t deserve is a disproportionate and an egregious sucker punch to the neck so violent that it broke it (dog pile further exacerbated the end result). The amount of force and predatory nature of it also matters in this instance. Sucker punches are dirtiest things you can do, it’s not allowed in professional fighting.

 

[Huggy]

Bertuzzi is universally loved in Vancouver to this day.

Reap what you sow.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Hard to have sympathy for the Nucks when they had that rat bastard Cooke running around. Sorry.

Cooke was suspended only once as a Canuck. For some reason he went apeshit when he left Vancouver. I don;t even remember him as being particularly dirty when he was with Vancouver. Yeah he was a shit-disturber, but injuring players? No.

February 21st 2004 - Spearing Matt Johnson
Cooke suspended 2 games
Johnson not injured

After that he went 4 years as a Canuck with no disciplinary action.

I really hope you're not a Pittsburgh fan.

 

[crazychimp]

Obviously an unfortunate situation overall, but I have a hard time having any sympathy for a player of Moore’s type everyone on these boards are quick to say how much they hate players like Cooke or Torres, Moore was that player or would’ve been as well. Didn’t he try to take out St Louis the week prior to that as well?

 

[Juniorhockeyguru]

Cooke was suspended only once as a Canuck. For some reason he went apeshit when he left Vancouver. I don;t even remember him as being particularly dirty when he was with Vancouver. Yeah he was a shit-disturber, but injuring players? No.

February 21st 2004 - Spearing Matt Johnson
Cooke suspended 2 games
Johnson not injured

After that he went 4 years as a Canuck with no disciplinary action.

I really hope you're not a Pittsburgh fan.

Lets ask Marc Savard about this......

 

[Ted Hoffman]

It's hard to believe that this took place two decades ago. What would the punishment have been had this happened in today's NHL?

Are the answers in 2024 any different from the answers in this thread from 2015?

If the Bertuzzi-Moore incident happened today...

...would Bertuzzi have been banned from the NHL? With social media ruling the day, its easy to imagine a greater outcry against Big Bert. Do you think the league would have banned him from ever playing again?

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Are the responses from some people about the incident going to be any different from the drivel that was posted in this thread?

Brad May says Bertuzzi-Moore incident is "no different than insurance fraud"

“I can tell you this, Steve Moore is perfectly fine,” May said. “Two and a half weeks after he was hit, Steve Moore was in a pool, wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and was having fun. You know why I know that? Because we knew this thing was going to go to another level in the courts. “And by the...

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Cause ... I'm going to go out on a limb and bet all my Sportsbook cash that nothing new is going to be said, the same people are going to offer the same thoughts, no one is going to change their minds on anything, and it's probably going to end up with

If the Bertuzzi-Moore incident happened today...

...would Bertuzzi have been banned from the NHL? With social media ruling the day, its easy to imagine a greater outcry against Big Bert. Do you think the league would have banned him from ever playing again?

forums.hfboards.com

Who knows, though. Maybe this time, which I think is like the 36th or 44th time, will be different.

 

[McJedi]

Bert = POS.

 

[eviohh26]

Lets ask Marc Savard about this......

Was Cooke in a Canucks Jersey when he did that? No one is going to argue that Cooke was a rat . But he didn't play that way in Vancouver. Hence his point

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Lets ask Marc Savard about this......

Sure. No problem.

But you lost me. To your point about Vancouver karma to which I addressed, Cooke was a Penguin when he took out Savard. How does that reflect poorly on anyone but Matt Cooke? And if you want to make the argument an organization is trash for having him on their team like you did with Vancouver where he had a minimal suspoension history, how does this not reflect poorly on Pittsburgh where he was suspended multiple times and for far worse behaviour?

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Was Cooke in a Canucks Jersey when he did that? No one is going to argue that Cooke was a rat . But he didn't play that way in Vancouver. Hence his point

Exactly. And Cooke was a Pemguin.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Are the answers in 2024 any different from the answers in this thread from 2015?

If the Bertuzzi-Moore incident happened today...

...would Bertuzzi have been banned from the NHL? With social media ruling the day, its easy to imagine a greater outcry against Big Bert. Do you think the league would have banned him from ever playing again?

forums.hfboards.com

Are the responses from some people about the incident going to be any different from the drivel that was posted in this thread?

Brad May says Bertuzzi-Moore incident is "no different than insurance fraud"

“I can tell you this, Steve Moore is perfectly fine,” May said. “Two and a half weeks after he was hit, Steve Moore was in a pool, wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and was having fun. You know why I know that? Because we knew this thing was going to go to another level in the courts. “And by the...

forums.hfboards.com

Cause ... I'm going to go out on a limb and bet all my Sportsbook cash that nothing new is going to be said, the same people are going to offer the same thoughts, no one is going to change their minds on anything, and it's probably going to end up with

If the Bertuzzi-Moore incident happened today...

...would Bertuzzi have been banned from the NHL? With social media ruling the day, its easy to imagine a greater outcry against Big Bert. Do you think the league would have banned him from ever playing again?

forums.hfboards.com

Who knows, though. Maybe this time, which I think is like the 36th or 44th time, will be different.

I would argue that but I have nothing but anecdotal evidence.

I hadn't heard that Brad May quote, and while I feel what May said was a little harsh, I've agreed with that view since probably late 2Ks or so. When I would state my opinion that Moore is goldbricking the system I was almost universally attacked for daring to say that the man who was injured is now embellishing his imjuries for a bigger payday. Today, here in this thread, my posts have been well-received and liked. That's not how it used to be.

Edit: I had heard that Brad May quote. I posted in that thread.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I would argue that but I have nothing but anecdotal evidence.

I hadn't heard that Brad May quote, and while I feel what May said was a little harsh, I've agreed with that view since probably late 2Ks or so. When I would state my opinion that Moore is goldbricking the system I was almost universally attacked for daring to say that the man who was injured is now embellishing his imjuries for a bigger payday. Today, here in this thread, my posts have been well-received and liked. That's not how it used to be.

Who cares if this now ex-hockey player was embellishing them in order to recoup more money to pay for potential incoming medical bills and lack of income due to forced retirement? You're naive as f*** if you don't think that's what's going on in literally every bit of litigation ever anyways. Both sides embellish their perspectives.

Fact of the matter is bertuzzi broke his f***ing neck, ending his career, and you can't medically dispute that. And that was a criminal act. I'm glad Moore tried to scrap for every penny he could get and f*** anybody who thinks bertuzzi shouldn't be paying out of the nose on that one.

 

[EpochLink]

Who cares if this now ex-hockey player was embellishing them in order to recoup more money to pay for potential incoming medical bills and lack of income due to forced retirement? You're naive as f*** if you don't think that's what's going on in literally every bit of litigation ever anyways. Both sides embellish their perspectives.

Fact of the matter is bertuzzi broke his f***ing neck, ending his career, and you can't medically dispute that. And that was a criminal act. I'm glad Moore tried to scrap for every penny he could get and f*** anybody who thinks bertuzzi shouldn't be paying out of the nose on that one.

Bertuzzi’s having DUI’s and being upset about his freedom. Guy has issues.

 

[MontrealCanuck]

It was deserved, most of the damage came from the dog pile afterwards. If the same thing happens to Nick Cousins it will also be deserved. If you're a rat and don't take your beatings then what happens next is on you.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Who cares if this now ex-hockey player was embellishing them in order to recoup more money to pay for potential incoming medical bills and lack of income due to forced retirement? You're naive as f*** if you don't think that's what's going on in literally every bit of litigation ever anyways. Both sides embellish their perspectives.

Fact of the matter is bertuzzi broke his f***ing neck, ending his career, and you can't medically dispute that. And that was a criminal act. I'm glad Moore tried to scrap for every penny he could get and f*** anybody who thinks bertuzzi shouldn't be paying out of the nose on that one.

You made an actual post - one that isn't just a 4-word drive-by that people find hard to take seriously. I'm proud of you.

Your first paragraph.... Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. It was unecessary, but you basically got it right. Again, I am proud of you.

As neck fractures go, Moore's was minor. It wasn't the construct of the body of the vertebra that was compromised. The spinal cord wasn't compromised although it may very well hae been bruised. I've bruised my own and it hurts like hell. It was actually the transverse process which was cracked, which is kind of like a little horn on the side of a human vertebra.

But let's not minimize this too much. Yes, technically his neck was broken but it certainly wasn't Christopher Reeve-broken.

You are wrong about the neck injury ending Moore's career. Can I "medically dispute that"? No. I have it from a better source. Steve Moore. Moore has said post-concussion syndrome ended his career, something which is far more difficult to accurately diagnose than injuries on an x-ray.

So, if you are going to come at me huffing and puffing and wanting to blow my house down, better first make sure yours isn't the one made of straw and glued together with bullshit.

 

[Terry Yake]

What happened to Moore did he ever play at a professional level?

nope. that was his last game. i remember he attempted a comeback a few years later but it never materialized

 

[MonsterMack]

It was deserved, most of the damage came from the dog pile afterwards. If the same thing happens to Nick Cousins it will also be deserved. If you're a rat and don't take your beatings then what happens next is on you.

But that rat did take his beating. He answered the first fight. And this is an absolutely disgusting post from you.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

You made an actual post - one that isn't just a 4-word drive-by that people find hard to take seriously. I'm proud of you.

Your first paragraph.... Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. It was unecessary, but you basically got it right. Again, I am proud of you.

As neck fractures go, Moore's was minor. It wasn't the construct of the body of the vertebra that was compromised. The spinal cord wasn't compromised although it may very well hae been bruised. I've bruised my own and it hurts like hell. It was actually the transverse process which was cracked, which is kind of like a little horn on the side of a human vertebra.

But let's not minimize this too much. Yes, technically his neck was broken but it certainly wasn't Christopher Reeve-broken.

You are wrong about the neck injury ending Moore's career. Moore has said post-concussion syndrome ended his career, something which is far more difficult to accurately diagnose than injuries on an x-ray.

So, if you are going to come at me huffing and puffing and wanting to blow my house down, better first make sure yours isn't the one made of straw and glued together with bullshit.

I'm not trying to play doctor here or pretending to understand Moore's injury. All that matters is that it was serious and complicated enough to cause him to retire. You're arguing a technicality here and avoiding the point I was trying to make, which is that you shouldn't think it's shitty of him to try to get a few extra bucks out of the people who maliciously ended his hockey career. I huff and I puff, but ultimately I'm just trying to figure out if you can find some goddamn compassion buried in there somewhere for this pitiful plug of a player who did not deserve to have this happen to him.

 

[MontrealCanuck]

If the situation repeats with Cousins on Mackinnon or Makar I suspect you'll sing a different tune.

 

[Voodoo Child]

If the situation repeats with Cousins on Mackinnon or Makar I suspect you'll sing a different tune.

Mack would go to jail if that happened to him, they’d never find pieces of Cousins after - and I like that, likes to get his hands dirty.

I guess Makar would just take it?

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I'm not trying to play doctor here or pretending to understand Moore's injury. All that matters is that it was serious and complicated enough to cause him to retire. You're arguing a technicality here and avoiding the point I was trying to make, which is that you shouldn't think it's shitty of him to try to get a few extra bucks out of the people who maliciously ended his hockey career. I huff and I puff, but ultimately I'm just trying to figure out if you can find some goddamn compassion buried in there somewhere for this pitiful plug of a player who did not deserve to have this happen to him.

Good post.

It is one thing to ask for reasonable compensation for an injury caused by others. It is another thing entirely to lie about one's injuries in order to gain a monetary settlement or an increased monetary settlement.

I hated Bertuzzi for what he did. He couldn't hae been traded away faster. I hated hockey too. I was disgusted at what happened to Moore. I watched this happen live on TV and I was horrified. But as time passed, with the more I investigated it and the more I learned, the more I started to wonder if Moore was goldbricking. He suffered a third degree concussion, which is serious, but normally athletes recover from an initial concussion and it isn't until a third where doctors will say, "You need to give this up." In spite of some heavy searching, I was never able to find evidence that Moore had a previous concussion. Moore was an outlier when it came to a career-ending concussion.

So, I find myself arriving at a paradox. I hate Bertuzzi and what he did, and I wished all the best for Moore at the time and I still hope his injuries don't trouble him for the rest of his life. Yeah, that was a cheap shot on Naslund, but it wasn't premediated. Bertuzzi's attack was. So, I do have these feelings about what happened and what happened to Moore specifically. The paradox is that I believe it's quite possible that Moore's legal team got a hold of him and using lawyer-speak and quasi-legal coercion, convinced Moore to go for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. If true, that is lying for substantial profit. I can live with my sympathy towards Moore and his injury at the same time as my doubts as to the seriousness of his concussion.

The kicker is, I could be totally wrong. No one will ever know.

 

[eviohh26]

But that rat did take his beating. He answered the first fight. And this is an absolutely disgusting post from you.

No he turned down many fights. He choose Cooke.

 

[wunderpanda]

todd did nothing wrong, moore ruined naslund and deserved worse than he got.

 

[MonsterMack]

todd did nothing wrong, moore ruined naslund and deserved worse than he got.

What do you think Moore deserved then?

edit: the number of posters victim blaming Moore, and sucking off Bertuzzi is a bit worrying.