ChiHawks10
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It's stupid. If you like numbers get into baseball stats.
Thoughts on the Jones deal?
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It's stupid. If you like numbers get into baseball stats.
Crow
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The last part is what I’m afraid the creator of the graph/chart is trying to say. As if people’s career performance is linear. I imagine it’s true when they get older, or when they have an injury. These things don’t apply to everyone as a projection.
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Larmer83
I'm taking the high road moving forward.
Seth Jones projected Analytics...
=((Late career Seabrook skating quotient/Leddy play below the goal line) x Doug Crossman or Dave Feamster jersey number) + Boqvist head hunting slap shots. If you don't like the number, then make up some shit.
Kaners Bald Spot
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Love JFresh's work. His work on Elite Prospects is great as well.
And it's not like his model is the only one that doesn't rate Seth Jones as highly as the #goodhockeymen of the NHL.
Micah McCurdy is tough by fair:
As is Mike Kelly, who works with SportLogiq, a company that works directly with NHL teams and all their supposed magical way-better-than-public numbers:
Can Seth Jones live up to his massive contract after trade to Blackhawks?
Puck Soup podcast this week had some great discussion about the Blackhawks moves as a whole.
PDOCast had a fantastic conversation with Alison Lukan, who's covered the Blue Jackets for years at the Athletic, they went in deep about the trade as well.
At this point, sides on the Jones argument seem pretty clear. You either love his tools and believe he can put it together, or you believe what his performance over the last 3-5 years says about him.
I’ll throw it out one more time. Exclude this past season on a dumpster fire team who just removed their coach and are blowing it up again and you have: 14th, 9th, 4th, 18th in Norris voting. It’s not just the skill set. He has been very good and very highly regarded until recently.
I also watch him play 30+ times a year and you can see he is better than most everyone else… with your own eyes. You’ll get that chance soon and hopefully all of this “he sucks” and “he is a 2/3D” like one bum on here said will calm down.
There is no arguing that he didn’t have a brutal year last year. Any 2 year evaluations (that’s what one of those seems to be), should be taken with a grain of salt.
A team that never makes the playoffs rode him for 65 minutes in a playoff game. Consider that.
It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. A top four defenseman's salary depends entirely on...when he became a top four defenseman. You have a shitload of players on ELC's or on cheap second contracts. They are not indicative of what a top four defenseman is "worth". The entire premise is flawed from the start.
RayP
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Pretty much where I’m at. Can’t do anything about it now so maybe as well hope for the best. Going to hold out hope that he wasn’t giving his all under Torts and finds another gear with us.
Toews2Bickell
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feelings on this deal was fire stan but realistically Boqvist and Sillenger end up good but not great players, next year pick is likely to be 16-32 range...Biggest issue with this deal is the contract, not the trade itself, but Seth should be a really good player for this team
ChiHawks10
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Lmao. Analytics cover about 25% of anything hockey related. They're a tool. And a very minor one, at that, in this sport.
Analytics run all sports...
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AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
Toews2Bickell
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Lmao. Analytics cover about 25% of anything hockey related. They're a tool. And a very minor one, at that, in this sport.
Analytics run all sports...
look at how analytics values Kane to see how potentially off base it is with player analysis
ChiHawks10
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I don't even have to look. Lol. It's f***ing nonsense.
BobbyJet
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I'm old fashioned. I still prefer to form opinions on hockey players by actually watching them. Seems a fairly solid way to see what they're about.
Styles
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Imagine trying to project stats for a hockey player in 2 years let alone 8. Like they know what type of signings and or new players will be on the team by then. What we have like 2 players signed to 2 more years? The Hawks could have a Tampa like team for all we know in 4 years but let’s follow these stupid charts. Holy f*** are people getting lazy and stupid. Hockey teams past two years are impossible to project because the turnover is crazy.
Kaners Bald Spot
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BTW I'm at the point where I'm just going to see how Jones does with the Hawks and hope he is that #1 D that they think they're trading for. If he is that guy, then this has a chance to be the NHL version of the Chris Sale deal. The Hawks would be getting Boston's end, but maybe without the championship. Sale was every bit as advertised for the Sawx though.
Remember, Sale had a couple of mediocre seasons in 2015-16 but the talent was still there.
Quintana outperformed him in the fancy stats those years.
Remember, Sale had a couple of mediocre seasons in 2015-16 but the talent was still there.
Quintana outperformed him in the fancy stats those years.
Styles
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Says the guy who has been bullish that Seth Jones isn’t a 1D let alone a top 50 in the league……
You’ll be taking your medicine come October
Kaners Bald Spot
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There's nothing I can do about it so let's hope for the best.
I'd like nothing more than to be wrong af.
Styles
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One signed this contract with the jackets, the other turned it down.
Jones wanted to leave. That's not in any analytics
How do analytics run soccer?
In hockey, they are a part to be considered AFTER the eye test and various opinions from people in the know.
TLEH
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Analytics run basketball and baseball, but they aren't near as luck based as hockey.
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