Thornton says Matthews should be up for the Rocket, Selke, and Hart - PART 2

[syz]

Can they find a way to give McDavid the Vezina?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can they find a way to give McDavid the Vezina?

And the Noriss.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[FelixPotvin29]

It feels like every single season through 20 games Leafs fans do the same song and dance comparing Matthews to McDavid with their ridiculous hyperbolic takes.

And of course, predictably, once McDavid shuts them up and makes the discussion look idiotic, they mysteriously vanish. Although some of the more delusional ones still are holding the line and believing it to be true.

I think the reason they disappear is for the same reason why some people don’t speak up when the going is good for Toronto. It’s all too juvenile.

With that being said goals and assists adjusted for games played:

McDavud
G - 20
A - 36
Pts - 56

Matthews
G - 26
A - 18
Pts - 44

I don’t know McDavid will probably win the hart.

Matthews will probably win the rocket.

Someone else will win the selke.

Who knows who wins the Canadian Cup.

 

[TheNumber4]

Another game where McD singlehandedly carried the offense for his team. Yeh that’s what an MVP does. McD is the front runner for the Hart and really no one is close.

 

[Snipes45]

Lemieux in 2000-01 is the only player with a higher points per game (min 30gp) since the start of the dead puck era in 1997-98.

 

[TheNumber4]

Lemieux in 2000-01 is the only player with a higher points per game (min 30gp) since the start of the dead puck era in 1997-98.

Lemiuex and Gretzky are Connors historical comparables. Matthews still got Tye Babe or whatever that 1930s Leafs dudes name is though.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Damn! It’s a shame this season is a short one. McDavid putting up some historic numbers this year. I always thought he could win a Rocket if he just became even a little more selfish.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Going to have to build a bigger trophy case to fit that one alongside his most goals per 60 minutes at even strength he won a couple of years ago.

 

[Connor McConnor]

I think the reason they disappear is for the same reason why some people don’t speak up when the going is good for Toronto. It’s all too juvenile.

With that being said goals and assists adjusted for games played:

McDavud
G - 20
A - 36
Pts - 56

Matthews
G - 26
A - 18
Pts - 44

I don’t know McDavid will probably win the hart.

Matthews will probably win the rocket.

Someone else will win the selke.

Who knows who wins the Canadian Cup.

Couldn’t understand half the things you said but your stats are wrong and mcdavid is winning his first rocket. Goal behind AM who was shooting at ridiculous career high percentages compared to mcdavid right around his career average but finally taking more shots.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

Couldn’t understand half the things you said but your stats are wrong and mcdavid is winning his first rocket. Goal behind AM who was shooting at ridiculous career high percentages compared to mcdavid right around his career average but finally taking more shots.

why did you bother responding then?

I thought the numbers were right if Matthews wasn’t 6 games behind.

 

[King K Rool]

McDavid is so far ahead of his peers in ppg it's crazy

 

[McFlyingV]

As I said earlier in this thread. If Matthews doesn't finish within 10 points per 82 of McDavid he's not winning the Hart. Right now he's on pace to finish 35 points per 82 behind McDavid. McDavid is running away with the Art Ross, Hart, and Lindsay by a catastrophic landslide. And he's in striking distance for the Richard.

 

[KlefDown]

actually Leon Draisaitl leads in that category right now

 

[Erikfromfin]

Curious has an actually non teammate said opposing team player should win x trophy ever. I remember the coach Trotz atleast said back in the day Price should win the Hart when he did.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Im a leafs leaf and love Matthews..

But McDavid is on another level on his own. There is no question he is the best player in the NHL.. and will probably end up beating Crosby's status when comparing The 2 individually now and in there prime. (Not including cups and career attributes as Crosby has 3cups)

But if Oilers don't win atleast 1 cup with McDavid... What a terrible organization/team... That will go down as one of the saddest waste of a generation player ever!. McDavid keeps putting up these numbers for his career I don't see how anyone can blame him.. 1 player can't do it all and if they lose having a player with those stats... My god.

Pressure is on the Team/organization to get it done right or they will forever be a joke.

 

[TheNumber4]

Going to have to build a bigger trophy case to fit that one alongside his most goals per 60 minutes at even strength he won a couple of years ago.

You’d think he have planned one for his longest goal streak in history trophy. And by history I mean Leafs history. And by longest I mean 3rd most or something.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yea but goals per 60 minutes or something

what about takeaways and blocks per 60.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I think the reason they disappear is for the same reason why some people don’t speak up when the going is good for Toronto. It’s all too juvenile.

With that being said goals and assists adjusted for games played:

McDavud
G - 20
A - 36
Pts - 56

Matthews
G - 26
A - 18
Pts - 44

I don’t know McDavid will probably win the hart.

Matthews will probably win the rocket.

Someone else will win the selke.

Who knows who wins the Canadian Cup.

You're adjusting for games that Matthews has zero chance of playing, as his team played them without him.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

You're adjusting for games that Matthews has zero chance of playing, as his team played them without him.

While that is only partially true and realize the rocket only cares about number of goals scored but sooo? Would you disagree that Matthews still likely wins it going off this information?

The other awards are more subjective but I believe I have those pegged reasonably as well.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

While that is only partially true and realize the rocket only cares about number of goals scored but sooo? Would you disagree that Matthews still likely wins it going off this information?

The other awards are more subjective but I believe I have those pegged reasonably as well.

I’d put money on McDavid personally. He was quite a few goals back recently when Matthews was playing and has closed the gap to one goal. Draisaitl could also win. I think it could be close but based on recent pace I’d probably pick McDavid.
There’s no question that Matthews had an insane start to the season but I think McDavid catches him in a couple of games.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

I’d put money on McDavid personally. He was quite a few goals back recently when Matthews was playing and has closed the gap to one goal. Draisaitl could also win. I think it could be close but based on recent pace I’d probably pick McDavid.

That’s reasonable. I definitely think it will be close.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

While that is only partially true and realize the rocket only cares about number of goals scored but sooo? Would you disagree that Matthews still likely wins it going off this information?

The other awards are more subjective but I believe I have those pegged reasonably as well.

I think it will be close, but I have Matthews as winning it.

Hopefully he can get fully healthy and we can start to see him really rip it up, the league is better with more stars performing at the level these two can.

 

[jeffff]

Going to have to build a bigger trophy case to fit that one alongside his most goals per 60 minutes at even strength he won a couple of years ago.

don’t forget the “shoulda, coulda, woulda” trophy and the most import one, voted by Leaf fans, the “If” trophy!