Thornton says Matthews should be up for the Rocket, Selke, and Hart - PART 2

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  1. S E P H @SEPH_WHL

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    I think both Matthews and McDavid should be given negative value for the Hart considering their division, but at the current point in time Matthews goal streak is much more impressive than McDavid loading up on a bunch of secondary assist powerplay points.
     
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    I did not read this thread, but Matthews is NOT better then McDavid. Is there some aspects of Matthews game better then McDavid, yes... but as a all around hockey player I take Mcdavid over 34 any day of the week.
     
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    The delusion is strong with this one
     
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    The fact that he actually believes only Matthews is on the radar for the hart was more laughable than the 'off puck' nonsense. I can say Matthews has a big shot on winning the Rocket, but trying to exclude McDavid from the Hart is just ???? worthy. McDavid is having another monster year, and trying to pick at crap like his play away from the puck or secondary assists just to justify Matthews being better is just utter stupidity. Matthews is definitely better when it comes to potting goals, but overall McDavid is the better player.
    No GM in the league would take Matthews over McDavid and that's a fact
     
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    McDavid:

    Total assists: 25

    ES primary assists: 11
    PP primary assists: 6
    17 primary assists

    ES secondary assists: 3
    PP secondary assists: 5
    8 secondary assists

    Yeah, McDavid loading a bunch of secondary assists is quite the exaggerating.
     
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    Who gives a shit? Not only is Thornton his teammate, he's also notorious for talking out of his ass.
     
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    You see how much mental gymnastics one has to do to pry one guy into the Hart convo? That tells you everything.

    It's a fun season. The 3 games EDM-TO have coming up should be nice. Teams are 2-2 against one another. Close games.
     
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    Honestly it's extremely close between the two and even though I might've been negative towards McDavid, I simply find Matthews goal streak more impressive for MVP of the league than getting to 1.99 PPG from a ton of PP points. They're both leading the Hart category, but because it's easier for them to get goals and points compared to the other three divisions, that should negate some of their numbers and allow other American team players to be in the category (even as I said at the beginning both should be leading).
     
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    I don't know why people just don't enjoy the 4 players. This season is what it is. It's different.
     
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    Funny enough as an all around hockey player is the only argument Matthews has. This season McDavid is only better in powerplay points, with over a minute more powerplay time per game. I'm not sure if that makes someone a better "all around" hockey player.
     
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    If Matthews scores a goal per game on the first place team he's going to win the Hart. Obviously don't expect that to continue, but I still think he wins if voting is held today.

    Selke talk is certainly hyperbole though.
     
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    Going from secondary assist PP points to a ton of PP points now? Lol?
     
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    How dare you fact check him like that
     
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    I mean it changed the 'secondary pp assists' narrative to just PP points now. How dare McDavid rack up PP points. Not like the PP was the Oilers specialty last season and slowly improving back to normal this season with the addition of Barrie. Nvm, it must be Barrie for McDavid getting so many points on the PP!
     
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    It’s going to be quite the exercise going back through history and re-awarding player trophies with powerplay stats excluded
     
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    McDavid is a good player and will always have a lot of even strength assists, but his PPA compared to the rest of the league is probably higher than anybody else (not including defencemen). And yes he still gets a lot of secondary assist points.
     
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    If Matthews is able to pull off 50 in 50 he’s likely to win the Hart. The fact it’s not been done in a while would likely sway a few votes.

    McDavid is still the better player, even if Matthews wins the Hart.
     
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    None of those what you stated is a bad thing or should be used against him on not being a Hart contender over Matthews. Enough said.
     
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    I didn't say you needed to praise him more, I'd avoid posting about imaginary conversations, looks a bit odd.

    You literally quoted me.

    "So if someone on your team was fighting McDavid for the scoring title while in the same division you would not see that as exciting?"

    Did not say he was the greatest, didn't say you should all bow down and worship. Try reading it again and maybe I won't have to tell you what I didn't say.....

    Most fans would be excited by a player on their team doing so well. It's puzzling you cannot imagine that.
     
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    Whats puzzling is the rambling

    I said I find it 'less impressive' than if it were a normal year. Somehow youve extrapolated thag into thinking I am suggesting fans shouldnt be excited

    For someone giving off such an attitude, you really dont have too much of a grasp on how to 'stay on topic'. Let us remember who quoted who in the first place

    lets see Matthews do this in a normal season (compete with McDavid for points leaders/score a goal per game). Not after playing Ottawa four times already
     
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    somehow I feel like that asterisk won't be applied to whatever McDavid accomplishes despite them having the same competition this season. Also, Montreal is a good defensive team and Matthews just made them look like the Sens.
     
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    He’s too innocent to suggest the dark web. Maybe a parent lock would be more useful.
     
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    Isn’t there still over half a season to play? Joe Thornton is already handing out hardware!
     
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    Scoring goals isn't the only thing Matthews is better at.

    The word "fact" doesn't mean what you think it means.
     

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