THN Releases Top-50 Players List

[LeafFever]

But my question was ultimately "what justification is there for him being ahead of Malkin?". You yourself even said Malkin should be higher, so even you don't believe there is justification for him being ahead of Malkin.

It almost seems like you're defending Tavares for the sake of defending a Leaf rather than actually defending his ranking ahead of Malkin.

It almkost seems like you are picking the one guy who is a Leaf. You can argue with so many other guys ahead of Malkin.
THN will make so much $$$ making Tavraes 13th instead of 17th. That was actually your argunent...

 

[Hank Plank]

Ovechkin at 10 is way too low.

Yep, top 5 at least I'd put him at #2 or 3.

 

[txpd]

Caps getting some snub on that list.

 

[Oddbob]

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Kucherov
4. Karlsson
5. Hedman
6. Hall - I like him, but this is too high, after only one dominant season
7. Bergeron - feel like this is too high at this point.
8. MacKinnon
9. Scheifele
10. Ovechkin - One of the best scorers in decades is only 10th, after leading the league in goals again
11. Kopitar
12. Bobrovsky
13. Tavares
14. Malkin
15. Wheeler
16. Kuznetsov
17. Matthews
18. Marchand
19. Laine
20. Stamkos
21. Jones
22. Hellebuyck - One good season puts you 22nd in the league???
23. Giroux
24. Subban
25. Vasilevskiy - Too high
26. Kane - Way too low
27. Panarin
28. Seguin
29. Byfuglien
30. Doughty - Way too LOW with this one, how is he behind Buff, Jones, Subban, and 26 spots below Hedman? I don't think so, and I don't even care for Doughty at all.
31. Barkov
32. Burns
33. Gaudreau
34. Pastrnak
35. Fleury
36. Benn
37. Forsberg
38. Carlson
39. Price
40. Eichel
41. Barzal
42. Rantanen -Too high
43. Kessel
44. Quick
45. Josi
46. Tarasenko
47. W. Karlsson - 1 out of nowhere season, he is not top 50 yet.
48. Marner
49. Couturier
50. Monahan

With many of these, apparently one really good season puts you way up the list, above guys who play well many years in a row.

 

[ririevans]

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Kucherov
4. Karlsson
5. Hedman
6. Malkin
7. Ovechkin
8. MacKinnon
9. Hall
10. Giroux
11. Doughty
12. Bergeron
13. Tavares
14. Kopitar
15. Wheeler
16. Kuznetsov
17. Matthews
18. Marchand
19. Laine
20. Stamkos
21. Vasilevskiy
22. Hellebuyck
23. Bobrovsky
24. Subban
25. Gaudreau
26. Kane
27. Barkov
28. Seguin
29. Backstrom
30. Scheifele
31. Eichel
32. Burns
33. Panarin
34. Pastrnak
35. Benn
36. Barzal
37. Josi
38. Carlson
39. Price
40. Jones
41. Fleury
42. Rantanen
43. Kessel
44. Quick
45. Byfuglien
46. Tarasenko
47. Monahan
48. Geltzlaf
49. Couturier
50. Marner

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Okay so stop picking on our Jets.
I think the list rightly rewards the players for a great season in helping the team reach the semi-finals.
Scheifele scored 14 goals in the playoffs just 5 shy of the record.
Laine is the third highest goal scorer as a teenager in NHL history.
Finally Hellebyuck had 44 wins this past season.....the highest ever by an American. He also received third place in the Vezina voting.....including a few first place votes.
So...l believe they deserve to be where they are on this list!


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The jets are amazing.

We get it.

But if I have to hear Laine is a teenager one more time, guy has been an adult in both countries he plays in for the last three years. I would LOVE to see what Laine would do playing with girgensens and pominville. I would love see Eichel in that PP with Scheifele and wheeler and buff, Connor, how about the chance to play on a second line so not always against the best opposition with with ehlers, roslovic perrault, little....

That’s my whole point to begin with.

Forget that one player has an insanely great skill (scoring goals) but the other guy is an elite skater, play maker, stick handler, and his shot is underrated too and just all around better. It’s obvious if the two switch spots Eichel would be over PPG since he was just a few pts off the last two years both times and Laine would fall back, just a bit. Wouldn’t you say?


That being said ...the jets have it all.

I think sheifele is one of the best centres in the league, top ten and just as good as Eichel in areas, and I think Connor is one of the best goalies in the league, while forward Connor and ehlers go u see the radar due to wheeler and Laine and the other greats there.

Depth is great. Maybe one more dman to put them over the edge and maybe another depth Center. But they have niku and isn’t Stanley there too? Roovic and little are a good 2 3 so maybe they already have within.

The jets should compete for the west for another five years at least.

 

[CanadienShark]

Just a brutal list. No other way to put it.

 

[Tripod]

And as pointed out 52 in 82 with 14 goals the year before.

I don’t get all this Giroux is so underrated every year.

If he puts up even 85 pts next year (I say even just because that’s still a lot) I’ll agree he’s still elite but having an 100 pt season in a full year after a 50 pt season isn’t consistent.

Infact it’s exactly what mackinnon did more or less. So I agree if mackinnon is so high why not Giroux? Truth is they both should be around 15-20 IMO until another year of examination. Giroux was elite once maybe he can get back there.

Well you could look into WHY Giroux dropped in points. He played thru a hip injury in 2015/16 then felt with recovery in 2016/17. Ghost had the same surgery and struggles in 20116/17 as well recovering. Then both bounced back this year.

Also, why is Giroux singled out yet Tavares isn't? He had 66 points a year ago yet never dropped in rankings.

All you are doing is proving the point how G is underrated. 2nd in points...doesn't matter. Beats Hall in 7 of 8 seasons in points. Doesn't matter. 8th in points this decade. Doesn't matter.

3 top 4 finishes in Hart voting. Doesn't matter.

Most top 3 finishes in scoring this decade? Sid with 4. Who is 2nd? Giroux with 3. No one else has 3 and 5 others have 2. Doesn't matter.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I think the amount of Jets on the list proves more about the writer's favourite team than it does the quality of Winnipeg's team.

The writer simply recognizes the high quality proven talent that exists at all positions on the Jets and their performance in last year's regular season and playoffs only strengthens that position.

 

[DictatorTots427]

The writer simply recognizes the high quality proven talent that exists at all positions on the Jets and their performance in last year's regular season and playoffs only strengthens that position.

I agree that the Jets have a very good team... but this list does nothing to further prove that. It is simply one person's (bad) opinion.

 

[Sam Spade]

What does THN even stand for?

Pretty sure you are joking, at least I hope so, but THN is the The Hockey News.

 

[Son Goku]

Disagree. While I have Malkin 3rd, the only clear cut are the top 2 with mcjesus and Crosby.

I have Malkin 3rd but extremely close with Giroux and Kucherov. At his best, Malkin is easily the best of the 3 but he's too inconsistent and at times lazy for me to put him in a "big 3"

"inconsistent" where? I never understood this myth with Malkin. He's every bit as competitive and driven as other players. Malkin at 50% is better than 95% of the league. I think you mistake laziness for nagging injury.

 

[Canada Drai]

1 McDavid
2 Malkin
3 Ovechkin
4 Crosby
5 Hedman
6 Doughty
7 Karlsson
8 Kucherov
9 Bergeron
10 Kane
11 Bobrovsky
12 Stamkos
13 Sheifele
14 Hall
15 Rask
16 Holtby
17 Pietrangelo
18 Subban
19 Panarin
20 Kopitar
21 Eichel
22 Barkov
23 Kessel
24 Vasilevskiy
25 Laine
26 Pastrnak
27 MacKinnon
28 Jones
29 Matthews
30 Wheeler
31 Josi
32 Draisaitl
33 Forsberg
34 Marchand
35 Burns
36 Tarasenko
37 Seguin
38 Getzlaf
39 Benn
40 Suter
41 Kuznetzov
42 Quick
43 Giroux
44 Gaudreau
45 Gostisbehere
46 Klingberg
47 Stone
48 Carlson
49 Tkachuk
50 Rinne

 

[North Cole]

1 McDavid
2 Malkin
3 Ovechkin
4 Crosby
5 Hedman
6 Doughty
7 Karlsson
8 Kucherov
9 Bergeron
10 Kane
11 Bobrovsky
12 Stamkos
13 Sheifele
14 Hall
15 Rask
16 Holtby
17 Pietrangelo
18 Subban
19 Panarin
20 Kopitar
21 Eichel
22 Barkov
23 Kessel
24 Vasilevskiy
25 Laine
26 Pastrnak
27 MacKinnon
28 Jones
29 Matthews
30 Wheeler
31 Josi
32 Draisaitl
33 Forsberg
34 Marchand
35 Burns
36 Tarasenko
37 Seguin
38 Getzlaf
39 Benn
40 Suter
41 Kuznetzov
42 Quick
43 Giroux
44 Gaudreau
45 Gostisbehere
46 Klingberg
47 Stone
48 Carlson
49 Tkachuk
50 Rinne

Interesting list, I have some differences. Most notably I have Stamkos lower...I personally like Hedman more than Karlsson and Doughty, and I believe they are mostly interchangeable. I gave Jumbo the same treatment as Eichel, and I think he is better than Pavelski. Sharks fans can feel free to educate me on why I'm wrong though.

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Ovechkin
4. Malkin
5. Karlsson
6. Kucherov
7. Bergeron
8. Hedman
9. Scheifele
10. Hall
11. Doughty
12. Marchand
13. Bobrovsky
14. Kopitar
15. Gaudreau
16. Mackinnon
17. Holtby
18. Kane
19. Subban
20. Wheeler
21. Eichel
22. Matthews
23. Panarin
24. Barkov
25. Pietrangelo
26. Kessel
27. Laine
28. Getzlaf
29. Barzal
30. Giroux
31. Rask
32. Tavares
33. Pastrnak
34. Jones
35. Voracek
36. Kuznetsov
37. Stamkos
38. Tarasenko
39. Josi
40. Vasilevskiy
41. Benn
42. Forsberg
43. Draisaitl
44. Carlson
45. Backstrom
46. Quick
47. Thornton
48. Seguin
49. Klingberg
50. Aho

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Ovechkin, the leading goal scorer and stanely cup winning captain

.......is 10th?

Ovi above Crosby for now imo, he had a better season

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Imagine thinking Malkin is the 14 th best player in the league.

Lol at Hall, Bergeron, Schiefele, Ovi and Tavares being ahead of him.

Ovi I could see an argument considering the season he came off but the rest just no

him or Ovi are either number 2

 

[Snakepit]

I think the amount of Jets on the list proves more about the writer's favourite team than it does the quality of Winnipeg's team.

I think it just indicates how much stock the writer puts into just last season. W. Karlsson and Couturier making the list along with Hall and MacKinnon being so high kinda supports this theory as well

 

[Tavares to Marner]

1.McDavid
2.Ovi
3.Crosby
4.Malkin
5.Karlsson
6.Kucherov
7.Hedman
8.Doughty
9.Bergeron
10. Giroux
11.Mackinnon
12.Schiefle (butchered that)
13. Kopitar
14. Hall
15. Barkov

 

[Asheville]

Four Jets in the Top-22, with Hellebuyck at No. 22, yet no Holtby anywhere on the list.

The Herpderp News

 

[BlackDogg]

Hate to say it but Johnny Hockey seems way too low at 33.

And if its based on lately then Quick should be ahead of Price.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

To me Malkin has no barring on this discussion. I've already stated that he deserves to be higher so if that means he's above Tavaras then so be it.
My issue with you statement is that you implied that the only reason Tavaras rose inithe standings is because he signed with the Leafs, and I just pointed out to you what a silly statement that was. It's actually statements like that, that make people think you're just a leaf basher.

Wouldn't that make me a media basher? Because my implying the people who write for THN are the ones with a bias, not the Leafs players or fans since neither had anything to do with the ranking.

 

[flyersfan018]

1 McDavid
2 Malkin
3 Ovechkin
4 Crosby
5 Hedman
6 Doughty
7 Karlsson
8 Kucherov
9 Bergeron
10 Kane
11 Bobrovsky
12 Stamkos
13 Sheifele
14 Hall
15 Rask
16 Holtby
17 Pietrangelo
18 Subban
19 Panarin
20 Kopitar
21 Eichel
22 Barkov
23 Kessel
24 Vasilevskiy
25 Laine
26 Pastrnak
27 MacKinnon
28 Jones
29 Matthews
30 Wheeler
31 Josi
32 Draisaitl
33 Forsberg
34 Marchand
35 Burns
36 Tarasenko
37 Seguin
38 Getzlaf
39 Benn
40 Suter
41 Kuznetzov
42 Quick
43 Giroux
44 Gaudreau
45 Gostisbehere
46 Klingberg
47 Stone
48 Carlson
49 Tkachuk
50 Rinne

2nd in points last year is good for 43rd place

 

[Canada Drai]

2nd in points last year is good for 43rd place

Yes.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

This ranking are they predicting the top 50 players for this coming season?

Or are they ranking the players on the previous season?

Both?

I got the impression it was just what it says, right now, so in the middle of what you said. Based on what we’ve seen so far..

I wouldn’t put too much worry in the question though, as literally quality poster on here hates it.

Boeser should be on it if it were for next year and there’s absolutely no way Eichel would be at 40 as well if he’s healthy. (If it were for next year)

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Wait, you actually think Jets fans harbor some kind of animosity toward Ryan Getzlaf?

Playoff losses sting fans decades later, up until last year that was the teams only playoff appearance and Getzlaf was a big part of it. (It was just three years ago too) I’m not saying it’s the reason or that you guys boo him when he touches the puck or anything it was more trying to find justification for leaving a top 30 player off the top 50?

It’s Already clear there’s at least some jets bias, which you can even admit? Buff over doughty?

I think it just indicates how much stock the writer puts into just last season. W. Karlsson and Couturier making the list along with Hall and MacKinnon being so high kinda supports this theory as well

I’d agree with recency bias but Byfuglien over Norris winning Doughty? A guy who gets 100 pts at 23? Getzlaf PPG not on the entire list? Carey prices 900 save percentage is better then Eichels 64 in 67?

Those are a few examples of how mad this person is because he doesent seem to have a formula at all.

I could understand the list if it was based on las year but the four thing so just said make me think, well maybe this guy is nuts.