Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by justafan22, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:09 PM.
If he's so valuable why was he waived in September?
Probably because Ottawa was fed up with trying to develop him into an NHL player. Miraculously, he had a strong start in the AHL and then was really, really effective in Ottawa before he got injured.
And I don't think he's 'so valuable', I just don't think they'd trade him for a mid round pick for a fringe prospect, nor do I think they'd be actively looking to trade him.
TBH same could be said about the Duchene deal.
Looks like getting rid of Karlsson and Turris when he did was good.
Hasn't Duclair and Pageau slowed down ?
Maybe people realize Duclair needs top minutes to be effective, but isn't that good and Pageau's offense is exaggerated this year, couple that with the likely asking price and boom.
However, I'm sure some team will feel desperate and come back and acquire at least one of those guys.
You have Demelo last in that group?
dylan demelo to toronto is a perfect fit
I could see a team giving a 2nd and 3rd for Pageau ... mayyybe a 1st if a team thinks he’s the missing piece.
Sens might be better off hanging onto Duclair though. He’s still young and is it really worth it for a late 2nd or 3rd?
Oilers could use both Duclair and Pageau, but as stated a hundred times on here by fans and demonstrated conclusively by Holland the Oilers aren't giving up a 1st for anyone this year.
Still, both players would help this team a lot.
Good player who should help any team: Pageau, Demelo
Decent depth who could helps some teams: Borowiecki, Ennis, Namestnikov, Hainsey
Waiver fodder/Probably no value: Anderson, Boedker, Sabourin, Goloubef, Swarz
I wouldn't be overly surprised if only the top-two guys are moved, given the limited value the others have.
This reminds me of the 2015-16 Leafs. I took trade deadline day off (mistake) thinking that this dumpster fire of a team would be unloading for draft picks. I like following the trades sometimes better than the actual game being played so its of great interest to me.
PA Parenteau was on pace for 20 goals and was to be a UFA. Apparently the highest offer was like a 4th or something so they just kept him to use as a warm body for the tank marathon. I figured they would get a second for him, but then it hit me. He is on pace for 20 goals on a bottom feeding team. Any contending team is going to have 6 better players than him, it would only be insurance. Guess noone bought insurance.
CAPITALS GET: F Daniel Winnik, 2016 5th round pick
MAPLE LEAFS GET: F Brooks Laich, D Connor Carrick, 2016 2nd round pick
SHARKS GET: G James Reimer, F Jeremy Morin
MAPLE LEAFS GET: G Alex Stalock, F Ben Smith, 2018 conditional 4th round pick
MAPLE LEAFS GET: F Raffi Torres, 2017 2nd round pick, 2018 2nd round pick,
SHARKS GET: D Roman Polak, F Nick Spaling
MAPLE LEAFS GET: F Colin Smith, 2016 4th round pick
AVALANCHE GET: F Shawn Matthias
And in the trade that both our fan bases remember so well, which also fits into the "how many of these pieces are still in any form of hockey whatsoever:
SENATORS GET: D Dion Phaneuf, F Matt Frattin, F Casey Bailey, F Ryan Rupert, D Cody Donaghey
MAPLE LEAFS GET: D Jared Cowen, F Milan Michalek, F Colin Greening, F Tobias Lindberg, 2017 2nd round pick
So TLDR of all this was the Leafs bottomed out and got Mathews, but didn't really get much for the disposable players leading up to the trade deadline. Lots of leveraging cap dumps into draft picks while throwing in scraps. I could see the same thing happening with the Sens, its kinda cool how the tables have turned for you guys in the last couple years, I think after this June's draft you will be looking very good as a team for a long time. I felt bad for Ottawa and its fans during all that drama, it sucks when your team is handcuffed into mediocrity.
Pageau + Demelo
Carolina or leafs 1st (Condition on which ever is lower)
Which team would be upset with this one?
Teams shouldn't be trying to aquire Pageau for his offense. He's had a career year in that regard, but is slowing down pretty quickly. He can definitlely fit in as a decent 2-way 2C, but his real value is as a shutdown centre. The offensive production is extra, but he's one of the best options in the league in terms of shutting down some of the best offensive players. Has a pretty solid track record in that regard. It's amplified in the playoffs.
He's a pretty good faceoff guy too.
Is there any interest in selling Tierney or another forward with Demelo for a legit package coming back?
How did Dzingel end up doing as a rental?
I imagine this is why.
I want toronto's first but would probably need a slight add. Just because I expect Toronto to be weaker next year and if we can get a san jose situation with torontos pick next year ...
I assume so. Ottawa has a few prospects that appear to be near nhl ready -or are at least tearing up the AHL. So i would assume we could ship out forwards. Can always take bad forwards back if contracts are expiring anyways.
So what's the asking price on Pageau?
Apparently was a 1st+prospect (probably a B-prospect), but they may have to settle for just a late 1st or a 2nd + B prospect.
The hope from a Sens POV would be a team sweating bullets 10 minutes to the deadline throws out a 1st.
Realistically, a 2nd + prospect would be able to get it done.
Lots of sellers. Just market dynamics. Not a sens story really.
Yes now it looks bad, but at the time it was a good trade. Ottawa made the playoffs and Brassard was playoff work horse.
Karlsson the UFA that SJ signed on their own? Who cares what level he plays at he was a UFA and how he plays in the future has zero to do fact is that was a huge return for a rental.
For UFA's Demelo is at least a steady #6 that could be had at 450K, Ennis 400k, hainsey a RD under 2 million but all would have to be 50% retention for that salary.
Well I think the Canucks could work with that. Our second, and which prospect appeals to Senators fan? Or even which position/outlook would be most appealing?
Secondly, would salary (expiring, of course) be acceptable as part of the return?
I'd take Hainsey for a mid round pick. The Toronto Maple Leafs can use him
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