The ROR Beatification Station and Exclusion Zone (Discussion of ROR trade goes here!)

[Beerz]

The biggest hole on this team is the gaping one where their balls used to be. ROR didn't make a difference in that regard when he was here, and he wouldn't be the difference if we still had him now.

If ROR magically appeared on this team tomorrow, I think you guys would be absolutely gutted when you realize they're still soft as warm butter and still lose games in the same soul crushing ways they do now.

It would be a better team. Full stop.

Would we still be "soft". Yup. But better...a lot better.

 

[sufferer]

ROR doesn’t have to be Eric f***ing Lindros. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Dreakon13]

It would be a better team. Full stop.

Would we still be "soft". Yup. But better...a lot better.

We'd be "better"... sure.

We'd also be mostly the same team, still getting beaten for mostly the same reasons.

ROR doesn’t have to be Eric ****ing Lindros. This is getting ridiculous.

ROR doesn't have to be anyone but ROR. But ROR isn't the answer to this teams problems.

 

[Yatzhee]

The fact is your line of reasoning is just silly. Nobody has used the argument that the Sabres as a whole "improved" with ROR .... We didn't improve because we were a **** team. This team would be so much better with ROR instead of Sobotka ... that's for sure.

How many seasons should the Oilers have traded McDavid because they didn't improve?

The McDavid comment is a red herring, because quite frankly, if we had landed him this team would be in a much different position, he is that much of a difference maker. ROR, not only not so much, but not even close to be honest.
But putting that aside, the ROR situation, even the Kane situation, is systemic in a much deeper problem with this organization, and it goes all the way back to the Drury/Briere situation.
The fact remains, the Buffalo Sabres are not committed to the culture within the organization to achieve success. The past decade plus results are beyond merely indicative of this, they are the norm.

 

[Beerz]

We'd be "better"... sure.

We'd also be mostly the same team, still getting beaten for mostly the same reasons.


ROR doesn't have to be anyone but ROR. But ROR isn't the answer to this teams problems.

But it closes a hole that was ripped open when ROR was traded.

Mojo would be able to switch to wing... we probably don't add Vesey (thank god)

Yes... we'd still have to fix glaring holes in Goal and Defense and try to piece together a decent 3rd line.

ROR is NOT the answer because one spot or one player can not be the answer to multiple issues but he can be a part of the solution to rectifying the suck

 

[Beerz]

The McDavid comment is a red herring, because quite frankly, if we had landed him this team would be in a much different position, he is that much of a difference maker. ROR, not only not so much, but not even close to be honest.
But putting that aside, the ROR situation, even the Kane situation, is systemic in a much deeper problem with this organization, and it goes all the way back to the Drury/Briere situation.
The fact remains, the Buffalo Sabres are not committed to the culture within the organization to achieve success. The past decade plus results are beyond merely indicative of this, they are the norm.

I just can't with you.

 

[Dreakon13]

But it closes a hole that was ripped open when ROR was traded.

Mojo would be able to switch to wing... we probably don't add Vesey (thank god)

Yes... we'd still have to fix glaring holes in Goal and Defense and try to piece together a decent 3rd line.

ROR is NOT the answer because one spot or one player can not be the answer to multiple issues but he can be a part of the solution to rectifying the suck

I think you're understating the significance of just how easy this team gets kicked around when the physical play ramps up. IMO, that's the teams biggest problem right now. They were fine this season until other teams (quickly) figured that out.

 

[typicalsavage]

We'd be "better"... sure.

We'd also be mostly the same team, still getting beaten for mostly the same reasons.


ROR doesn't have to be anyone but ROR. But ROR isn't the answer to this teams problems.

ROR would solve a whole lot of the Sabres problems.

 

[Dreakon13]

ROR would solve a whole lot of the Sabres problems.

He wouldn't solve the biggest problem IMO.

 

[Beerz]

I think you're understating the significance of just how easy this team gets kicked around when the physical play ramps up. IMO, that's the teams biggest problem right now. They were fine this season until other teams (quickly) figured that out.

i dont disagree. That is one issue. But we have multiple issues. ROR would be a huge help to our top 6

 

[sabremike]

So the narrative now is that because ROR is merely just really great at this whole playing hockey thing and not Oggie Oglethorpe he'd be of no value to us *rolleyes*

 

[sufferer]

I think you're understating the significance of just how easy this team gets kicked around when the physical play ramps up. IMO, that's the teams biggest problem right now. They were fine this season until other teams (quickly) figured that out.

Nobody is arguing that the team isn’t soft. It’s just infinitely easier to plug in tough players around a one-two punch of Eichel and ROR at center than it is replace a player of ROR’s caliber.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

So the narrative now is that because ROR is merely just really great at this whole playing hockey thing and not Oggie Oglethorpe he'd be of no value to us *rolleyes*

It's not a narrative, it's two posters giving an opinion. That opinion is not that ROR is of no value, that's just you being hyperbolic again.

 

[Yatzhee]

I just can't with you.

And that's fine. I am entrenched, you are entrenched. It is what it is.

 

[Dreakon13]

So the narrative now is that because ROR is merely just really great at this whole playing hockey thing and not Oggie Oglethorpe he'd be of no value to us *rolleyes*

This started with someone saying "it's crazy how bad this team misses ROR".

As though watching this team get manhandled physically all season and losing game after game because of it would make anyone think of ROR. It's missing the forest for the trees. He'd be a great add obviously, but people really need to move on from this trade.

Nobody is arguing that the team isn’t soft. It’s just infinitely easier to plug in tough players around a one-two punch of Eichel and ROR at center than it is replace a player of ROR’s caliber.

I'd like to see them add one tough player before I concede to how easy it is.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Our 2C woes are the direct effect of losing ROR, this trade hurt us more than anything since Briere Drury walking.

It's not just about needing grit.. it's about getting a true playmaking center at 2C. Its absolutely pathetic now that opinions are now shifting that he wouldnt help us because toughness.

We dont need a tough 2C, fill the toughness out in the bottom 6.

 

[OkimLom]

I think you're understating the significance of just how easy this team gets kicked around when the physical play ramps up. IMO, that's the teams biggest problem right now. They were fine this season until other teams (quickly) figured that out.

they were only fine because the teams they played against early were not teams that would lean on you. It was obvious all the way back to the preseason when we got out-muscled in the games vs Columbus that they would have issues with teams like that, that would be willing to play physical. Them not being able to handle the physical play during the regular season started back against Columbus (See OT goal for reference). It was there he Florida, and for a bit, it was there vs Montreal.

the next time they played a soft team, was the Dallas game and Buffalo blew them out.

 

[Dreakon13]

they were only fine because the teams they played against early were not teams that would lean on you. It was obvious all the way back to the preseason when we got out-muscled in the games vs Columbus that they would have issues with teams like that, that would be willing to play physical. Them not being able to handle the physical play during the regular season started back against Columbus (See OT goal for reference). It was there he Florida, and for a bit, it was there vs Montreal.

the next time they played a soft team, was the Dallas game and Buffalo blew them out.

That's fine. All the more indication that this teams primary need is some testicular fortitude.

Yes, even more than a 2C. Though they do still need a proper 2C.

 

[Dreakon13]

Its absolutely pathetic now that opinions are now shifting that he wouldnt help us because toughness.

It's absolutely pathetic that your takeaway from the conversation is this.

 

[mechaworm]

In the war of whether the sabres would be better with ROR or a lot better with ROR, there can be no neutrals.

 

[OkimLom]

That's fine. All the more indication that this teams primary need is some testicular fortitude.

Yes, even more than a 2C. Though they do still need a proper 2C.

It’s not even about ROR and the position he played, it’s about ROR and the player he is. We need guys that play like ROR (maybe not necessarily at the talent level).

When you have a player like ROR, that plays the game he does, you keep him, and fix the issues around him, by getting more players like him. Again, not the talent level per se, but the way he goes about being a professional.

 

[sabremike]

It's not a narrative, it's two posters giving an opinion. That opinion is not that ROR is of no value, that's just you being hyperbolic again.

And one of them lied and defamed ROR by questioning his work ethic and desire when that is one thing where the facts are so well known that NOBODY should do such a thing.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

And one of them lied and defamed ROR by questioning his work ethic and desire when that is one thing where the facts are so well known that NOBODY should do such a thing.

Whatever, it's not a narrative that ROR has no value.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

It’s not even about ROR and the position he played, it’s about ROR and the player he is. We need guys that play like ROR (maybe not necessarily at the talent level).

When you have a player like ROR, that plays the game he does, you keep him, and fix the issues around him, by getting more players like him. Again, not the talent level per se, but the way he goes about being a professional.

I agree, but I really don't think Botterill had much say in the trade. I think O'Reilly wanted to go, regardless of any public statement. But even if he didn't want to go, the bonus was clearly an huge issue in the trade, which was beyond Botterill's care and control.

 

[kenfury]

He wouldn't solve the biggest problem IMO.

Which is?