Prospect Info: The Prospect Thread (Part XXVIII)

[VanJack]

Yup. In the small picture, it isn't that big of a deal. Wasted 7th rounder and a wasted contract slot.

But as a scouting failure, it's almost beyond belief. Literally everyone who follows the WHL saw this coming a mile away, and anyone who follows draft trends in any way could have predicted this as well. It was just so bloody obvious that this would happen, and it would be comical right now if it wasn't so sad.

And people who make these sorts of comically stupid errors on one hand don't make great moves to build championship teams on the other. If your local auto mechanic can't figure out how to change a tire or do an oil change, he probably isn't going to be able to rebuild an engine with any degree of ability.

When your GM is dumber than your casual fans, you have a problem.

And you really do have to feel a bit sorry for Stewart. Making the WHL with his background should have been a nice success story and that should have been the end of it, but instead he's going to be the butt of jokes for years.

Agree wholeheartedly....kid was a nice story even making the Dub....but, barring a miracle, he'll be right up there with Morgan Clark, Sawyer Hannay and Evan Fuller in Canucks draft folklore....too bad, it's not as if he was a second-rounder like Yann Sauve, Taylor Ellington or Marc Andre Bernier...those picks are really far worse than a draft flyer like Stewart in the seventh round.

 

[timw33]

Agree wholeheartedly....kid was a nice story even making the Dub....but, barring a miracle, he'll be right up there with Morgan Clark, Sawyer Hannay and Evan Fuller in Canucks draft folklore....too bad, it's not as if he was a second-rounder like Yann Sauve, Taylor Ellington or Marc Andre Bernier...those picks are really far worse than a draft flyer like Stewart in the seventh round.

Let's all be thankful he wasn't a top 120 pick, this is true. But still, like MS mentioned, championship calibre organizations do not waste their picks on these character grinder kids with limited upside if they even pan out at all. They typically draft for high skill and hockey sense over everything else, knowing full well that they can easily trade for full developed character players/grit players, or just sign them when they need them. Perfect situation for the Canucks to take a flyer on a guy like Joe Hicketts, who was actually in their backyard (Victoria).

Would have been fine with Stewart getting a PTO with our farm teams, seeing as how he hadn't really merited an ELC. This situation is just shades of Anton Cederholm. This organization—even in the Gillis Era—has been terrible at 1) Admitting to their mistakes and dealing with them immediately and 2) Learning from their mistakes.

 

[Wilch]

Pretty much. That it was entirely predicted by the majority of this board is just extra. That's the tragedy of Benning. Every poor thing that's happened was completely predicted by amateurs who have followed this team closely,and somehow surprising to the professional millionaires in charge.

It's a minor thing but it offers major insight into the way management thinks and it is exceptionally alarming. To have any faith in this group when they show this kind of player evaluation and decision making takes some seriously spiked koolaid.

I think the most shameful part about this is that some fans actually defended this decision.

Though the good thing is that I guess they're nowhere to be found now regarding this topic.

Really hope Lack can pull his sv% to above 0.915 so they'll completely vanish.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I think the most shameful part about this is that some fans actually defended this decision.

Though the good thing is that I guess they're nowhere to be found now regarding this topic.

Really hope Lack can pull his sv% to above 0.915 so they'll completely vanish.

The only defense is the one we see most often with Benning, that it was a minor issue, inconsequential, deck chairs, window dressing, etc. Nevermind analyzing the process, nevermind all the minor dumb things have added up to the garbage we have now.

 

[arttk]

I think the most shameful part about this is that some fans actually defended this decision.

Though the good thing is that I guess they're nowhere to be found now regarding this topic.

Really hope Lack can pull his sv% to above 0.915 so they'll completely vanish.

Watched a couple of Canes game when Lack was playing. I have no ****ing clue what the goalie coach there is trying to do. It's like he is just trying to tear apart Lack's game.

 

[PG Canuck]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1894535&highlight=stewart

Here is the thread when his ELC was announced. Pretty funny.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Mon Dec 28

NCAA

Robert Morris 6 Penn State 4
Williamson 0 points, even

Ohio State 3 Boston College 2
Demko 16 saves on 19 shots

WJC

Sweden 1 USA 0
Boeser 0 points, even

Canada 6 Denmark 1
Virtanen 0 points, +1

QMJHL

Acadie-Bathurst 6 Saint John 5 (OT)
Brisebois 2 assists, even

Chicoutimi 3 Drummondville 2
Zhukenov 1 goal (9th), +2 (selected 3rd star)

Sherbrooke 4 Quebec 1
Neill 0 points, -1

WHL

Prince George 3 Victoria 2 (SO)
Olson 1 goal (3rd), 1 assist, even (selected 1st star)

S_C

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Demko falling off a bit from his hot streak.

 

[WTG]

Tate Olson has a goal and a assists so far.

20 minutes left.

 

[PG Canuck]

Olson.

 

[Tv9924]

Anyone watch Boeser this morning? How was he?

 

[alternate]

The only defense is the one we see most often with Benning, that it was a minor issue, inconsequential, deck chairs, window dressing, etc. Nevermind analyzing the process, nevermind all the minor dumb things have added up to the garbage we have now.

If you really wanted to "analyse the process" why don't you spend more timing discussing Tate Olson or any of the other late round picks Benning has made? How does Mackenze Stewart represent "the process" more than the rest of the draft picks combined?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Don't know if this is the right thread or not but
It's crazy that many posters like to wright off young players when they don't do well immediately in the nhl or did well as a rookie but struggle in second year.
Some people even call Horvat is not a nhl player....
The fact is, when your team is bad no one is gonna look good unless they are superstar.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Anyone watch Boeser this morning? How was he?

Didn't get a point, bust, we have no future
He was good overall IMO

 

[WTG]

Don't know if this is the right thread or not but
It's crazy that many posters like to wright off young players when they don't do well immediately in the nhl or did well as a rookie but struggle in second year.
Some people even call Horvat is not a nhl player....
The fact is, when your team is bad no one is gonna look good unless they are superstar.

PRetty sure I saw another poster say this but I'll just steal it from them (sorry forgot where I saw this)

Half the population has below average IQ.

Don't be surprised that there are idiots.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

PRetty sure I saw another poster say this but I'll just steal it from them (sorry forgot where I saw this)

Half the population has below average IQ.

Don't be surprised that there are idiots.

Just saw one in the GDT thread

 

[coldsteel79]

If you really wanted to "analyse the process" why don't you spend more timing discussing Tate Olson or any of the other late round picks Benning has made? How does Mackenze Stewart represent "the process" more than the rest of the draft picks combined?

Don't you know Benning has to hit 100% on his drafts to get credit.

 

[DadBod]

We all knew Stewart won't amount to anything substantial when he was drafted but common guys! Are we really crapping on Benning for his 7th round pick? Outside of 2 or 3 picks I haven't agreed with it appears Benning has done a better job drafting than any GM in the last 15 years

 

[Intangibos]

We all knew Stewart won't amount to anything substantial when he was drafted but common guys! Are we really crapping on Benning for his 7th round pick? Outside of 2 or 3 picks I haven't agreed with it appears Benning has done a better job drafting than any GM in the last 15 years

The problem is the contract slot wasted on him

 

[CanaFan]

If you really wanted to "analyse the process" why don't you spend more timing discussing Tate Olson or any of the other late round picks Benning has made? How does Mackenze Stewart represent "the process" more than the rest of the draft picks combined?

Exactly. This notion that no other team has ever thrown a 7th round pick at a huge, physical specimen with low tools is patently false. Go look through 7th round picks on Hockeydb and you'll see a handful in each draft. Stewart may be on *worse* end of that spectrum but it isn't like 29 other teams are drafting Ondrej Palat's with every 7th round pick.

So yes, it was a bad pick and one that hopefully won't be repeated in future drafts. And lucky us, it wasn't repeated in 2015. So this nonsense about it representing a "process" need to lift their heads a bit and look at more than just the Stewart and Petit picks. There have been a dozen other picks and none of them remotely look like part of the same "process" that led to Stewart.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Olsen is looking like a good pick.

Brisebois picking it up as well. He's close to PPG over his last 20 I think.

 

[Seattle Totems]

What's sad about the Stewart situation is that he is probably going to get screwed out of a WHL college scholarship because he played pro. The current WHL season is half over so he definitely wont get credit for this one. Hope he got a signing bonus from the Canucks.

 

[absolute garbage]

The problem is the contract slot wasted on him

Yeah. It's one thing to waste a 7th rounder to draft a feel-good story like Stewart or Clark (he was the Gillis-era Stewart in that regard). Like, whatever. It's bad, but whatever.

But it's completely another thing when you double down on this and literally rush to get this player signed to a pro contract.

Rushing to use a contract slot on a terrible player who just had 10 points in his d+1 year, who is not good enough to play in the ECHL or in the WHL as an overager. It's not a feel-good story at that point anymore, it's just incomprehensible stupidity.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

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Yeah. It's one thing to waste a 7th rounder to draft a feel-good story like Stewart or Clark (he was the Gillis-era Stewart in that regard). Like, whatever. It's bad, but whatever.

But it's completely another thing when you double down on this and literally rush to get this player signed to a pro contract.

Rushing to use a contract slot on a terrible player who just had 10 points in his d+1 year, who is not good enough to play in the ECHL or in the WHL as an overager. It's not a feel-good story at that point anymore, it's just incomprehensible stupidity.

And then to triple down by starting him in the ahl where he was in way over his head and probably had his confidence shattered. There is basically no facet of this debacle that wasn't ****ed up.

 

[iceburg]

Tate Olson might turn into a real find. Unfortunately the scouting reports make him sound like a sure fire top 10 pick...
Can anyone in the know shed some better light on his overall game? A 6'2" D-man reported to have a well rounded game and only a couple of points behind Provorov who went 7th overall...
What pushed him down to the 7th round? In what areas is his game lacking?