The Pro Tank Thread I Post #621

[y2kcanucks]

Sorry guys, I can't be on #TeamTank if Pettersson continues to carry the team like he currently does.

Why apologize? No one cares if you're on team tank or not.

 

[Svencouver]

I can't cheer for this garbage team Benning has put together. And it makes me feel happy when this team loses, so I'll keep hoping for that.

So if you cant cheer for the team... And it makes you happy when they lose... I have to ask why you're even a canucks fan at this point. Why not follow a team that makes you happy when they win?

 

[y2kcanucks]

So if you cant cheer for the team... And it makes you happy when they lose... I have to ask why you're even a canucks fan at this point. Why not follow a team that makes you happy when they win?

The Canucks made me happy when they won before they hired a bumbling idiot to be the GM. I can’t support this garbage. Maybe you can support sutpodity, but I’m sick of it and demand better. I take great enjoyment seeing him fall flat on his face, and seeing those who were happy he was extended look dumber and dumber.

 

[Pavel96]

If we are truly as bad as everyone says we are, losing will happen on it's own without needing to cheer for it - especially with all of our injuries. Isn't it a bit more fun to cheer for the success of our young prospects and taking success or failure as it comes? If our prospects play great - then great! I'm happy. If we lose a bunch and get a high pick, then great! With the right mentality you really can't lose in the upswing of a team. Expectations aren't high.

I suppose the idea here is that it's better for us going forward to lose now and can the incompetency in our front office - but you don't need to be constantly negative to the point of outright never cheering for anything positive our team does anymore. At that point, it has to be asked - why even be a fan of the Canucks?

lol me cheering shouldn't affect the team winning at all. I cheer for them to lose because it makes me happier when they do - not because I think it will literally make them lose.

Who's being negative? People are coming in here constantly questioning, name calling, criticizing etc and endlessly calling comments negative. Some would call the so called 'negative' comments 'realistic', instead of pretending that certain things are better than they are. If the comments aren't in alignment with your beliefs especially of what constitutes a fan - then it somehow means that people don't belong or whatever it is you are getting at?

I don't see anyone going into EP's thread saying - i hope he gets injured or doesn't score at all. Same with horvat or even eriksonn. The difference being people are posting positive comments in EP's thread because there are a lot of positive things to say - and pretty much no negatives. Gudbranson and Eriksonn however have a lot of negative comments in those threads. And it's obvious those two are mess.

 

[Melvin]

So if you cant cheer for the team... And it makes you happy when they lose... I have to ask why you're even a canucks fan at this point. Why not follow a team that makes you happy when they win?

Why pretend that there is anything about sports fandom that is rational?

 

[Pavel96]

The Canucks made me happy when they won before they hired a bumbling idiot to be the GM. I can’t support this garbage. Maybe you can support sutpodity, but I’m sick of it and demand better. I take great enjoyment seeing him fall flat on his face, and seeing those who were happy he was extended look dumber and dumber.

yeah and like usual the canucks have started the season "punching above their weight". In a few months with the injuries piling up and the youngest players on the team (the team is relying on to carry them) starting to slow down, things will be pretty ripe as usual.

 

[Knight53]

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat all getting points. Hutton looks excellent.

Can't be mad

 

[vancityluongo]

The Canucks might have to trade Markstrom if they want a real shot at tanking.

If you look at the skaters of a team like Philly, it simply does not make sense that they are 4-7 while we're 7-6, sample sizes be damned. But they will probably miss the playoffs because their goalies suck ass.

Assuming the team falls off and is out of the race by Christmas, even with EP and Bo doing their best to be this years NJD, I'd actively look at shopping Markstrom for a 1st rounder to the highest bidder. Carolina, Philly, Calgary, and St. Louis should all be bidding for him.

 

[SillyRabbit]

We need another future top line/top pairing level talent.

It's necessary to have any real shot of winning.

Otherwise we end up in treadmill land.

Look at MacKinnon.

He always had the talent, but he’s looking a lot better with Ratanen there to share the offensive load.

Avs fans would be stupid to simply have been content with one superstar level player.

 

[Jack Burton]

I think that Pettersson kid is anti tank

 

[Melvin]

I think that Pettersson kid is anti tank

Think he'll make it to 25 games?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-13#post-133703311

And I'm willing to bet that Pettersson will play less than 25 games in the NHL. This kids game does not transition well to the NHL because when you takeaway his time and space, he becomes worthless.

Taking Pettersson @ 5 is a joke! If this franchise truly wants him then trade down and if their scared that he'll be selected before the trade down pick then just draft Suzuki.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-15#post-133715435

Lololo seriously!

How about a avatar bet? I have a nice " I vanilla pudding players " for ya.

Is there a time limit on this bet? I'll give you D+2 years to get 25 NHL games in and if he doesn't then I win.

You down?

 

[SillyRabbit]

So if you cant cheer for the team... And it makes you happy when they lose... I have to ask why you're even a canucks fan at this point. Why not follow a team that makes you happy when they win?

That’s where the disconnect is.

The people in here are all Canucks fans who want to see the organization win the Stanley Cup.

We know that Benning and his management team have hurt this organization much more than they have benefitted it, especially in terms of asset management.

We can cheer against the team because we want to see:

A change in management
A higher draft pick
Discontent among the fans and ownership

All of those things will benefit the organization in the long term. (Fans and owners being discontent would promote change and remove patience for mediocrity).

Ultimately if the goal is to win a Stanley Cup, the vast majority of the current management and roster will probably not be part of a hypothetical Cup win, so there’s no reason to be attached to them or feel loyalty towards them.

Think of us as Canuck fans who value the organization and the organization only. If we could swap our entire roster with the Pittsburgh Penguins I would do it in a heartbeat.

Our only goal is for the Vancouver Canucks organization to compete for multiple Stanley Cups, anything else is moot.

 

[Intangibos]

Goaltending hurting the tank. Last year I thought our goaltending was way better than it seemed on paper given our lineup and this year is no different. A lot of goalies in this league would do far far worse with the absolute trash lineup in front of them.

Pettersson is carrying this team, and for all his faults Hutton has played well given that he's the de facto #1 D now, but again that puts into context how much strain we must be putting on the backs of our goalies.

Kind of a tough situation. On one hand watching our management/fans get a lesson that the grass isn't always greener when we move our goalies for an "upgrade" would both be fun and maybe a better pick, but on the other hand behind a better team I think these goalies might actually have some value.

 

[Jack Burton]

Think he'll make it to 25 games?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-13#post-133703311


https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-15#post-133715435

I'm thinking 26 now

 

[mouz135]

Think he'll make it to 25 games?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-13#post-133703311


https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-pt-x.2358739/page-15#post-133715435

Those aged like a vintage fine wine. Ohh indeed

 

[northwestern comfort]

So if you cant cheer for the team... And it makes you happy when they lose... I have to ask why you're even a canucks fan at this point. Why not follow a team that makes you happy when they win?

y2k’s position is cheering for the team. They are a Canucks fan. The tank thread kind of exposes the tensions between holding short-term and long-term views and the different kind of fandoms. I probably agree more with your line of thinking that I’d rather watch the Canucks finish last organically through exciting 7-6 games because I want to watch an exciting game of hockey. Thing is that’s not going to happen, and y2k is right that the quickest way to some exciting hockey is if Benning is gone.

 

[Canucks1096]

The Canucks might have to trade Markstrom if they want a real shot at tanking.

If you look at the skaters of a team like Philly, it simply does not make sense that they are 4-7 while we're 7-6, sample sizes be damned. But they will probably miss the playoffs because their goalies suck ass.

Assuming the team falls off and is out of the race by Christmas, even with EP and Bo doing their best to be this years NJD, I'd actively look at shopping Markstrom for a 1st rounder to the highest bidder. Carolina, Philly, Calgary, and St. Louis should all be bidding for him.

No team will give up a 1st for Markstrom. You probably have a hard time getting back a 2nd. 1b goalies have no value.

 

[Grub]

EP is like that lone sniper up in the ruins, picking up our boys one by one from the tank. It’s a good thing there’s more of us on this tank. EP can only carry us so far with the other garbage in this team.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Look at MacKinnon.

He always had the talent, but he’s looking a lot better with Ratanen there to share the offensive load.

Avs fans would be stupid to simply have been content with one superstar level player.

Funny you point out Rantanen because he was drafted 10th overall, he wasn’t the result of tanking but actually the result of trying to make the playoffs but failed....
Not that I suggest we should go for it but...fact is fact

 

[SillyRabbit]

Funny you point out Rantanen because he was drafted 10th overall, he wasn’t the result of tanking but actually the result of trying to make the playoffs but failed....
Not that I suggest we should go for it but...fact is fact

That was such a stacked draft though, normally you wouldn’t find a player of that quality at 10.

 

[Archangel]

have the pro tank people watched any games this year?

 

[MadaCanuckle]

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat all getting points. Hutton looks excellent.

Can't be mad

Now that you're mentioned Hutton, do you know the hilly billy you have as GM tried to trade him for scraps?

 

[MadaCanuckle]

have the pro tank people watched any games this year?

Did the pro competitive people watch this thread during losses?

 

[Archangel]

Did the pro competitive people watch this thread during losses?

we have been in a playoff spot for most of the start of the season

 

[bbud]

I feel like projecting your distaste for the management onto the team at large is a little off-base.

It goes farther back I can remember his previous Nick ( pauser) I believe he actually wanted the sedins traded for a bag of pucks at one time and said so on Russels call in show and I remember Dan Russell hit the roof on him .