Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse at Pittsburgh | 2/17/19 - 12:30 PM - NBC

[Filthy Dangles]

100%, positively, no doubt about it, NOPE. Not a chance. Not in a million years. He’s been my favorite player in the NHL for a while.

I think you'd be in the very small minority there.

NYR almost had EP40 but VAN took him right before at 6. DeAngelo is good but he'll never be a franchise player or changer, there is a pretty good chance at grabbing a franchise changer at 7.

 

[Inferno]

I'd be shocked if buchnevich isn't scratched for the next game. ..he was awful.

 

[Rempe73]

I think you'd be in the very small minority there.

NYR almost had EP40 but VAN took him right before at 6. DeAngelo is good but he'll never be a franchise player or changer, there is a pretty good chance at grabbing a franchise changer at 7.

There really isn’t a good chance at grabbing a franchise changer at 7. Pettersson is the exception, not the rule (and he wasn’t even a #7 pick).

I don’t care if I’m in the minority, though. DeAngelo is still young, still has a ton of upside, and at the very least, he’s a good NHL player. At #7, you get a mystery. There’s a high chance that the player doesn’t become an impact guy. There’s also a chance he won’t even make the NHL.

 

[Riche16]

But that’s still a myth. He made one obvious defensive mistake today that led to a goal, but for the most part, he’s better defensively than pretty much all of our defensemen. He gets criticized for his defense (even though it’s pretty good), while other defensemen who are worse get a pass? And those defensemen can’t even provide 10% of ADA’s offense.

I think this board is very reactionary, and people make incorrect assumptions after one game, one goal, one play, etc. because it’s fresh in their minds.

Being better than our other defensemen doesn't make him good at defending. Like I said I like him, you're kinda barking up the wrong choir here (yes intentionally messed that up)

 

[Good Intentions]

I'd be shocked if buchnevich isn't scratched for the next game. ..he was awful.

If we could vote him off the 8th avenue island next Monday, I'd be elated enough to buy tickets to the next home game following the deadline.

 

[Machinehead]

Rough outing for DeAngelo

Just speculating, but I wonder if Kreider is a little banged up. Played decent enough, but something about him just didn't look right. Hard to explain.

 

[duhmetreE]

Rough outing for DeAngelo

Just speculating, but I wonder if Kreider is a little banged up. Played decent enough, but something about him just didn't look right. Hard to explain.

I don't know if its his equipment but it looks like he favors his right elbow... like he was adjusting his elbow pad using his body and he has been doing it a lot

 

[Ori]

Rough outing for DeAngelo

Just speculating, but I wonder if Kreider is a little banged up. Played decent enough, but something about him just didn't look right. Hard to explain.

I had a similar feeling after this game - I just hope nothing serious like last year.. Maybe they should rest him until TDL is over if Jeff have plans to move him - refering to trade rumors from TSN.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

There really isn’t a good chance at grabbing a franchise changer at 7. Pettersson is the exception, not the rule (and he wasn’t even a #7 pick).

I don’t care if I’m in the minority, though. DeAngelo is still young, still has a ton of upside, and at the very least, he’s a good NHL player. At #7, you get a mystery. There’s a very high chance that the player doesn’t become an impact guy. There’s a good chance he won’t even make the NHL.

Sheifele
Couturier
Hamilton

Dumba
Pouliot
Trouba

Nurse
Ristonlainen
Horvat

Fleury
W.Nylander
Ehlers

Provorov
Werenski
Meier

Keller
A.Nylander
Sergachev

Picks 7-9 from 2011-2016 drafts....Most of the players selected are legitimate NHL players and 'impact' players. Definitely more than a few franchise players there too.

So the 7th pick they got from ARI was probably more valuable than DeAngelo was/is (it's impossible to quantify the value). LA which might be a bad pick (hopefully not though), actually looks more like the exception than the rule.

 

[Placid]

The rather stupendous point gathering from our first line in the last 15 games :

Kreider : 4 goals, 9 assists (13 points).
Zucc : 7 goals, 15 assists (22 points. Only 14 games as he didn't play against Philly on the 29th of January)
Ziba : 14 goals, 9 assists (23 points).

That is just a stupidly high production.. if only they could have kept that up all season, they'd be 100 point players...lol

 

[Rempe73]

Being better than our other defensemen doesn't make him good at defending. Like I said I like him, you're kinda barking up the wrong choir here (yes intentionally messed that up)

Ok fine, it doesn’t make him good, because our defense sucks, but at the very least he’s league average.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Rough outing for DeAngelo

Just speculating, but I wonder if Kreider is a little banged up. Played decent enough, but something about him just didn't look right. Hard to explain.

He had a few bad plays defensively, but he also probably created more scoring chacnes at the other end than any other player on the Rangers. I think Shatty was our best D today (fewer ups but also fewer downs), but I still wouldn't call it a bad game by Tony and I'd still say he was one of our better players tonight.

 

[Rempe73]

Sheifele
Couturier
Hamilton

Dumba
Pouliot
Trouba

Nurse
Ristonlainen
Horvat

Fleury
W.Nylander
Ehlers

Provorov
Werenski
Meier

Keller
A.Nylander
Sergachev

Picks 7-9 from 2011-2016 drafts....Most of the players selected are legitimate NHL players and 'impact' players. Definitely more than a few franchise players there too.

So the 7th pick they got from ARI was probably more valuable than DeAngelo was/is (it's impossible to quantify the value). LA which might be a bad pick (hopefully not though), actually looks more like the exception than the rule.

Other than (maybe) Provorov and William Nylander, those guys are not franchise players. Also, there are some guys there that we don’t know if they will be impact players yet. And are you sure those are all 7th overall picks?

 

[Ori]

The rather stupendous point gathering from our first line in the last 15 games :

Kreider : 4 goals, 9 assists (13 points).
Zucc : 7 goals, 15 assists (22 points. Only 14 games as he didn't play against Philly on the 29th of January)
Ziba : 14 goals, 9 assists (23 points).

That is just a stupidly high production.. if only they could have kept that up all season, they'd be 100 point players...lol

Yes I hope Mika can continue to produce if Zucc is moved for rental value at this TDL and that is part of a risk evaluation. However a late 2019/2020 1st pick rental value will return fire power in the future as well.

NBC commentators mentioned earlier today that Mika line is the most dangerous line now in NHL.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

What else is new? Its amazing this guy had top 4 mins prior to coming to NY.

Dirty little secret: he didn’t... he was on the third pair in St. Louis and Washington

 

[Machinehead]

Dirty little secret: he didn’t... he was on the third pair in St. Louis and Washington

This is not true

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Other than (maybe) Provorov and William Nylander, those guys are not franchise players. Also, there are some guys there that we don’t know if they will be impact players yet. And are you sure those are all 7th overall picks?

Sheifele is better than both Nylander and Provorov.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd be shocked if buchnevich isn't scratched for the next game. ..he was awful.

Chytil will be a scratch.

 

[Avery16]

Pionk credited with a team leading 9 hits, only played two periods.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Chytil will be a scratch.

He lost Letang on the go ahead goal. He had a pretty good backcheck earlier in the game though. We'll see.

Pregame people on Twitter were losing their shit with Chytil taking 4th line rushes, with Claesson on the 3rd, but as as soon as the game started he was on the third line. People just need to relax.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Pionk credited with a team leading 9 hits, only played two periods.

He sucks though.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He lost Letang on the go ahead goal. He had a pretty good backcheck earlier in the game though. We'll see.

Pregame people on Twitter were losing their **** with Chytil taking 4th line rushes, with Claesson on the 3rd, but as as soon as the game started he was on the third line. People just need to relax.

If history is any indication, That play on the Letang goal is what gets Chytil scratched. Because he doesn't run around like a headless chicken, showing that "effort"

 

[Filthy Dangles]

This is not true

It's kind of true. When Colton Parayko became a regular in 2016, Shatty had fewer 5v5 icetime than he and Pietrangelo. The difference between he and Parayko was miniscule though. Probably depends on the situation like if it was a dzone or ozone draw and the score.

He also got less ice time than John Carlson and Matt Niskanen when he was in Washington, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Avery16]

someone should've roughed up crosby

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

It's kind of true. When Colton Parayko became a regular in 2016, Shatty had fewer 5v5 icetime than he and Pietrangelo. The difference between he and Parayko was miniscule though. Probably depends on the situation like if it was a dzone or ozone draw and the score.

He also got less ice time than John Carlson and Matt Niskanen when he was in Washington, especially in the playoffs.

Thank you for providing the facts while I was away