The Pittsburgher Thread: It feels so dark and cold

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yes. Roethlisberger turned into a very good QB, but wasn't one doing the years the Steelers won the SB.

And their defense from 04-11 was one of the best ever.

Ya, that’s just straight BS. Unlike Brady who was carried to his first SB win and got a ridiculous call that bailed him out, BR is the one that beat Manning in his house and won in Denver the next week. He’s the one that had a very good 2008 playoffs culminating with throwing the winning TD in the SB after their great defense f***ed it up.

Amazing how dense people are about what this guy has done for the org.

It’s not a coincidence they finally won SBs as soon as he got there, because well, he’s a HOF QB and that’s what those guys do.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Yes. Roethlisberger turned into a very good QB, but wasn't one doing the years the Steelers won the SB.

And their defense from 04-11 was one of the best ever.

It's interesting how he's transitioned over the years from being a "game manager" to a "gunslinger".

He puts up bigger numbers now, no doubt. But his performance in the 05 playoffs (sure his SB was a stinker, but his performance was the main thing that got them there) and 08 playoffs was top notch.

And definitely. But save for about a handful of bad years (mid/late 80s mostly), the defenses from 83-03 were pretty dang good at times too. Remember the great QB's on those teams, including the one who played in the Super Bowl against Dallas? That defense did pretty decent against Aikman/Emmitt/Irvin... in fact, the MVP was some random defensive back?

Feels like the real turning point was the 12-4 team right at the end of that window of strong defenses you mentioned (2011) that lost to Tebow and 8-8 Denver. As the "old guard" defensive players from the 00's core gradually retired, things have just really gone downhill. Giving up point totals of 30, 36, 45 (2 of them at home to Ravens/Jags teams not necessarily known for their offenses) in the playoffs... bleh.

Very bad fortune on defense since, losing the one game-changing type defensive player they haven't had since Troy and missed so sorely this year way they did (Shazier), a few bust LB's, and basically every secondary player they've drafted or picked up (aside from Haden) has been a disappointment.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Ya, that’s just straight BS. Unlike Brady who was carried to his first SB win and got a ridiculous call that bailed him out, BR is the one that beat Manning in his house and won in Denver the next week. He’s the one that had a very good 2008 playoffs culminating with throwing the winning TD in the SB after their great defense ****ed it up.

Amazing how dense people are about what this guy has done for the org.

It’s not a coincidence they finally won SBs as soon as he got there, because well, he’s a HOF QB and that’s what those guys do.

"Roethlisberger beat Manning." This is such simplistic analysis, Roethlisberger didn't beat him, he didn't even play as well as Manning, but Cowher was shockingly aggressive from the start of the game, they built a quick lead, and their defense pressured Manning all day long. Yes, Roethlisberger had a great game against Denver the following week, but for the most part in his first two seasons he wasn't asked to do much.

And the bolded is circular logic, and how people end up with opinions like Brady is one of the best QBs ever.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

"Roethlisberger beat Manning." This is such simplistic analysis, Roethlisberger didn't beat him, he didn't even play as well as Manning, but Cowher was shockingly aggressive from the start of the game, they built a quick lead, and their defense pressured Manning all day long. Yes, Roethlisberger had a great game against Denver the following week, but for the most part in his first two seasons he wasn't asked to do much.

And the bolded is circular logic, and how people end up with opinions like Brady is one of the best QBs ever.

What an asinine comeback. You literally just admitted that one of the most conservative coaches in NFL history came out aggressive agt Indy, but dance around the reason why.

Why do you think Cowher came out throwing the ball and being aggressive?

Because he had confidence in his great young QB.

BR torched the Colts in the first half and put them ahead 14-3, and Cowher fell back on old habits and played turtle ball in the second half and almost lost... but Roth again saved them with a shoestring tackle.

Cowher learned his lesson and let Roth light up the Broncos for both halfs the next week in Denver.

And the bolded is reality. You just have some sad agenda agt the guy and it’s been obvious for awhile.

Without him, they don’t win those two SBs. He’s their franchise.

 

[ibar726]

I never said what Ben did was out of line. I’m just pointing out that Colbert would immediately walk back his words if Ben would ever come out and criticize him. Also to be clear that entire play had nothing to do with AB running a bad route, Ben made an absolute awful throw and decision on that play

While he didn't call him out by name have you forgotten about Ben's comments about drafting another QB last year? He essentially said there were other impact players on the board at the time that could help more than a backup or 3rd string QB. He went even further questioning whether this was an admission that they felt drafting Dobbs the previous year was a mistake. Seems like criticism aimed primarily at Colbert/Tomlin who are the most responsible for draft selections? So it seems to me Colbert really did not take much issue with it personally.

However with that said after this AB stuff I would not be surprised if despite the public vote of confidence someone like Colbert did not privately speak with Ben and advise him to maybe be a little more careful with what he says. Seriously if you think about it...how would it not look hypocritical to embarrass and throw your QB under the bus for doing the same thing to others? Obviously management would have a right to do it...but when dealing with egos why not keep things quieter for the same reason you would want Ben to be quieter to avoid hurt feelings?

 

[Night Shift]

Its like elementary kids are running this team.

 

[DanielPlainview]

At what point do we declare Art II to be bad owner?

 

[Night Shift]

At what point do we declare Art II to be bad owner?

Oblivious, in denial, unknowledgeable. Prolonging change because you have some ****** up rule about giving coaches 50+ years NO MATTER WHAT..

Ohhh and WHAT CIRCUS????

 

[KIRK]

BR has only called out his receivers that I can ever remember. Pretty much standard **** that once again most other QBs have done.

AB deserved to be called out and so did Bryant. With Washington and JuJu, those were nothing burgers. If you want your QB throwing you the ball, you better be on your routes and details or it effects him as well. Just makes sense to me.

He’s always praising everyone else, especially his o-line.... I seem to recall Manning throwing his entire O line under the bus when the Steelers beat them in the playoffs. For whatever reasons people keep ignoring how other greats called out teammates as well and weren’t always great teammates.

Ultimately, this is all about AB not being the BMOC and realizing he’s not nearly as important as he thought he was. Dude got replaced by JuJu and realized he’s not Ben... baby gonna get mad.

Yep.

And, I've seen the OL look so bad at times that they pretty much get him killed, and he NEVER said boo.

 

[KIRK]

At what point do we declare Art II to be bad owner?

Two years ago?

 

[Pens x]

At what point do we declare Art II to be bad owner?

Does anyone think he’s a good owner? I think the question is what does he have to do to be considered a respectable owner, because right now he’s a disgrace.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yep.

And, I've seen the OL look so bad at times that they pretty much get him killed, and he NEVER said boo.

Ya, people forget they won those two SB with some pretty bad o-line play, but BR ability to scramble around was their saving grace.

 

[cookthebooks]

bob kraft of all people doing his part to make me feel better about things

 

[TimmyD]

So this happened

 

[Andy99]

So this happened

I’m impressed he’s still interested at his age...gives me hope

 

[turd]

Well it’ll be nice to not have the Steelers be the center of (negative) attention for a change.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So this happened

Sleazy guy does something sleazy... big news.

 

[Al Smith]

Maybe they’ll stop showing him after every Pats score now.

This wins the award for best news story of the day.

Soliciting at the orchids of Asia spa at $59-79/hour. Not exactly the high class stuff portrayed in the movies. Or maybe Kraft setting up owners and league for next CBA negotiatins to show how destitute the teams are.

 

[KIRK]

Well it’ll be nice to not have the Steelers be the center of (negative) attention for a change.

Give Antonio Brown a couple of hours . . .

 

[Pens x]

We aren’t the biggest joke in the NFL today!

#progress

 

[Common Sense]

A guy worth over $6 billion really had to go to some seedy asian massage parlor for a no strings attached handjob.

 

[SouthGeorge]

I hope he gets metoo'd and forced to sell the team

 

[KIRK]

We aren’t the biggest joke in the NFL today!

#progress

#DayNotOver

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

#DayNotOver

Dunno, just heard on the radio it was a human sex trafficking ring, so this is no longer funny but messed up.

 

[cookthebooks]

yup, this has some other powerful names attached too. getting the feeling that something far darker is going on