The Out of Town Thread part LXIV - All Talk From Around the League Here

Monctonscout · Jul 3, 2013

Habs 4 Life said:
He's 34 years old so no chance i'd go with a 6 year deal. The most i'd go is 3 years and I would give him 4 per year. That's a pretty good offer at his age IMO.

It is, but he is probably already getting that from LA. On a 3 year deal he'd probably get 4.5-4.75 mil cap hit. Simply too much.

Habsawce · Jul 3, 2013

Bergeron at 6.5 for 8 years and Rask at 7 for 8 years. Good bye depth Boston.

Beautiful!

MarkovsKnee · Jul 3, 2013

Chili said:
Is Hal Gill a great skater? I wouldn't call Chara a great one either, that's not what makes a great defender in front of his net.

Forget about Schultz, he's just an example. This past season there was no presence defending in front of the Habs net. The proof of that was the dramatic drop in pk efficiency. And there wasn't a big changeover in personnel, they even got Markov back.

It's not just about winning battles and moving the puck, it's about positioning and boxing out.

The Habs dmen as a group are below average defending in their own zone. How many goals went in while Price was screened?

If they don't start addressing this area, don't see them going very far anytime soon, in my opinion.

Neither Gill or Chara are great skaters, obviously, but both have solid hockey sense and know how to position themselves to mitigate their lousy skating. Schultz has poor hockey sense, and if he could defend his net Caps wouldn't be getting rid of him. If Cube plays bigger than his size, Schultz plays much much smaller than his size. This is one instance where size is not better.

I think everyone agrees that we need to be bigger on the back end, and get some nasty back there. Schultz isn't that.

I'm sure MB understands that as well.

Chili · Jul 3, 2013

MarkovsKnee said:
Neither Gill or Chara are great skaters, obviously, but both have solid hockey sense and know how to position themselves to mitigate their lousy skating. Schultz has poor hockey sense, and if he could defend his net Caps wouldn't be getting rid of him. If Cube plays bigger than his size, Schultz plays much much smaller than his size. This is one instance where size is not better.

I think everyone agrees that we need to be bigger on the back end, and get some nasty back there. Schultz isn't that.

I'm sure MB understands that as well.

Go back and read what I said (hint: Forget Schultz).

Who is 'nasty' on the Hawks defence?

Dmen don't need to be nasty or jumbo, just able to win battles in the corners and in front of the net, move the puck and play sound positionally without the puck. And have enough speed/quickness to deal with the faster forwards.

The Habs have alot of 5/6 dmen types who don't meet that criteria well in my opinion, there is a great deal of room for improvement of personnel.

Where they will find these remains to be seen. They aren't drafting many lately, so again we'll see what they add if any this summer.

Status quo, I don't see them going far next season.

417 · Jul 3, 2013

Habsawce said:
Bergeron at 6.5 for 8 years and Rask at 7 for 8 years. Good bye depth Boston.

Beautiful!

Just because they're paying Bergeron and Rask more money doesn't mean they won't be able to fill out the rest of their roster

Bruins draft well and make smart trades, they'll figure it out just like all successful teams do

ECWHSWI · Jul 3, 2013

417 said:
Just because they're paying Bergeron and Rask more money doesn't mean they won't be able to fill out the rest of their roster

Bruins draft well and make smart trades, they'll figure it out just like all successful teams do

and Lucic at 6 Mil, and Chara at close to 7, and Marchand close to 5, and Seguin at 5.75...

they may draft very well, thing is, they traded a bunch of early picks in the last few years...

Habsawce · Jul 3, 2013

They will have to shed some players and fill them with ELC's as soon as Rask is signed. They have about 4 million in cap space and no goalies and 2 positional players on top of that still to sign.

Habsawce · Jul 3, 2013

Forgot about Savard's cap hit coming off with injured reserve. It's still tight with that big contract though.

Redux91 · Jul 4, 2013

The Toronto Maple Leafs have placed forward Mikhail Grabovski on unconditional waivers for the purpose of buying out his contract. Grabovski, 29, just finished playing out the first year of a five-year contract averaging $5.5 million a season.

i hope the habs do something similar concerning desharnais

Whitesnake · Jul 4, 2013

Redux91 said:
The Toronto Maple Leafs have placed forward Mikhail Grabovski on unconditional waivers for the purpose of buying out his contract. Grabovski, 29, just finished playing out the first year of a five-year contract averaging $5.5 million a season.

i hope the habs do something similar concerning desharnais

Good point on Twitter.... :laugh:

https://twitter.com/HeyMyNameIsWill/status/352821256883679234

Greg Pateryn is still on the Habs while Grabovski is on waivers. JUST SAYING.

Yet, Grabovski was already serviceable in the NHL while we are waiting for Greg.

hototogisu · Jul 4, 2013

Whitesnake said:
Good point on Twitter....

https://twitter.com/HeyMyNameIsWill/status/352821256883679234

Yet, Grabovski was already serviceable in the NHL while we are waiting for Greg.

Grabovski didn't have a good year last year but I'd say the buyout is 90% related to his terrible contract and 10% related to his play on the ice.

Monctonscout · Jul 4, 2013

Rich Chere ‏@Ledger_NJDevils 9m Devils sign Elias (3 years, $16.5 million). Johan Hedberg will be bought out. The story: http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/..._put_johan_hedberg_on_waivers_for_buyout.html …

Whitesnake · Jul 4, 2013

hototogisu said:
Grabovski didn't have a good year last year but I'd say the buyout is 90% related to his terrible contract and 10% related to his play on the ice.

True. Terrible contract indeed.

Monctonscout · Jul 4, 2013

Redux91 said:
The Toronto Maple Leafs have placed forward Mikhail Grabovski on unconditional waivers for the purpose of buying out his contract. Grabovski, 29, just finished playing out the first year of a five-year contract averaging $5.5 million a season.

i hope the habs do something similar concerning desharnais

Yup because paying him 9+ mil of cap space for nothing is sooo much better than 3.5 mil/year to help the team win.

:facepalm:

Whitesnake · Jul 4, 2013

Habsawce said:
Bergeron at 6.5 for 8 years and Rask at 7 for 8 years. Good bye depth Boston.

Beautiful!

Let's hope. Enough of those gifts for them.

Talks to Goalposts · Jul 4, 2013

hototogisu said:
Grabovski didn't have a good year last year but I'd say the buyout is 90% related to his terrible contract and 10% related to his play on the ice.

The key take away is that they deleted their most talent two-way forward to overpay new guys in free agency.

I don't see Toronto as any threat to MTL next season. They had some potential could have been with Bolland upgrading their center line, but this kind of thinking and the guys who got hot coming back to earth is going to sink them.

Monctonscout · Jul 4, 2013

Talks to Goalposts said:
The key take away is that they deleted their most talent two-way forward to overpay new guys in free agency.

I don't see Toronto as any threat to MTL next season. They had some potential could have been with Bolland upgrading their center line, but this kind of thinking and the guys who got hot coming back to earth is going to sink them.

If Bolland is their #2 it's a downgrade, he's a good #3 and a weak #2.

Bob b smith · Jul 4, 2013

I expect the Leafs to fast track Gauthier as a 3rd line center.

Monctonscout · Jul 4, 2013

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 1m Hearing that Claude Giroux and the Flyers are close to agreeing to an 8-yr deal worth north of $8 M a year...

Next guy traded or bought out?

Rosso Scuderia · Jul 4, 2013

Just realized the the Leafs bought out two of our ex-players. :biglaugh:

Dagistitsyn · Jul 4, 2013

Monctonscout said:
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 1m Hearing that Claude Giroux and the Flyers are close to agreeing to an 8-yr deal worth north of $8 M a year...

Next guy traded or bought out?

I dunno but I'd be offering draft picks and prospects to take Simmonds from them. They're ****ed for cap space.

Pierre Dagenais · Jul 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/352849443525115906

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 53s

Huge trade in the works. Boston and Dallas close on a deal sending Tyler Seguin to Stars for Loui Eriksson. Other parts involved as well

please no

Kriss E · Jul 4, 2013

I remember when Philly was praised for their active management. Now they're made fun of for being a zoo.

The Bryzgalov deal would have been the absolute limit for me. I can't believe Holmgrem still runs the show.

Monctonscout · Jul 4, 2013

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 2m Huge trade in the works. Boston and Dallas close on a deal sending Tyler Seguin to Stars for Loui Eriksson. Other parts involved as well.

Andy · Jul 4, 2013

Pierre Dagenais said:
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/352849443525115906

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 53s

Huge trade in the works. Boston and Dallas close on a deal sending Tyler Seguin to Stars for Loui Eriksson. Other parts involved as well

please no

FFS. Crap.

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