The Official 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame thread with poll (no one elected)

[BigBadBruins7708]

What exactly did Schilling do to warrant such disdain?

Nothing really beyond have views that differ from most media members + not being shy about sharing said views.

Basically if you're a loudmouth and they disagree with you they get a hair across their butt about it.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Oh no, Blitzkrug on a hockey forum doesn’t take my opinion seriously.

So do you think that the writers association should retroactively remove all the pill popping, woman beating, racist members on the KKK that are currently in the HOF? Or do they get a pass because they did all of that stuff before you were born?

We’re talking about the BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. They should be judged on their achievements of playing BASEBALL.

I don’t agree with the shit Schilling says but apparently you know what type of a person I am because I think that players should be assessed on their ability to play baseball rather than their opinions outside of the spot.

Get off your high horse

You seem mad.

 

[Muston Atthews]

You seem mad.

I’m chillin guy, go cancel someone else

 

[Blitzkrug]

I’m chillin guy, go cancel someone else

The fact you refer to it as cancelling shows you are in fact not chilling.

What next? Gonna call me a snowflake because I don't agree with your nonsensical vision of what society is like?

 

[Muston Atthews]

The fact you refer to it as cancelling shows you are in fact not chilling.

What next? Gonna call me a snowflake because I don't agree with your nonsensical vision of what society is like?

You seem mad.

 

[Terry Yake]

I’m chillin guy, go cancel someone else

schilling isn't being "canceled." you don't get to call for journalists to be murdered and support overthrowing the govt without consequence

 

[Muston Atthews]

schilling isn't being "canceled." you don't get to call for journalists to be murdered and support overthrowing the govt without consequence

call it whatever you want. My point is that if you have a vote for the HOF and don’t vote for someone because of their opinions/thoughts outside of baseball then you shouldn’t have a vote anymore. You’re there to judge a player on their baseball achievements.

I really couldn’t care less, I just think it’s funny considering how many shitty people are in the HOF

 

[Blitzkrug]

schilling isn't being "canceled." you don't get to call for journalists to be murdered and support overthrowing the govt without consequence

It's okay guys, his opinion is just different!

 

[Voight]

The writers gladly inducted a ton of poor character people, many who were probably worse people than Schilling but in this day and age they suddenly have morals.

Whatever. Its a joke a bunch of journalists get to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Should have guys that actually played and worked in the game do it.

 

[Cas]

The writers gladly inducted a ton of poor character people, many who were probably worse people than Schilling but in this day and age they suddenly have morals.

Whatever. Its a joke a bunch of journalists get to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Should have guys that actually played and worked in the game do it.

That's what the Veterans Committee does, and has given us luminaries like Harold Baines and Chick Hafey. The Frankie Frisch Superfriends era inducted probably half of the worst choices all by themselves.

The reason the BBWAA has the vote is because the Hall of Fame was designed to be a tourist trap and the actual election process was an afterthought. The BBWAA was at the time the only organized body of professional baseball experts in the world - there were no baseball historians, there was no player's union, there wasn't even a statistical guide that voters could easily access.

Simply giving the vote to "the players" probably would have ended up with really bizarre choices like Hal Chase or Fred Merkle in the Hall, because, quite frankly, the players don't really have a better handle on who is actually great and who isn't than the writers do (which I think the VC selections have shown).

 

[Terry Yake]

That's what the Veterans Committee does, and has given us luminaries like Harold Baines and Chick Hafey. The Frankie Frisch Superfriends era inducted probably half of the worst choices all by themselves.

The reason the BBWAA has the vote is because the Hall of Fame was designed to be a tourist trap and the actual election process was an afterthought. The BBWAA was at the time the only organized body of professional baseball experts in the world - there were no baseball historians, there was no player's union, there wasn't even a statistical guide that voters could easily access.

Simply giving the vote to "the players" probably would have ended up with really bizarre choices like Hal Chase or Fred Merkle in the Hall, because, quite frankly, the players don't really have a better handle on who is actually great and who isn't than the writers do (which I think the VC selections have shown).

i had no idea who chick hafey was before this post so i looked him up and.....yikes

that might be an even worse induction than baines and morris

 

[Cas]

i had no idea who chick hafey was before this post so i looked him up and.....yikes

that might be an even worse induction than baines and morris

Dave Bancroft, Chief Bender, Jim Bottomley, Earle Combs, Kiki Cuyler, Rick Ferrell, Elmer Flick, Nellie Fox, Lefty Gomez, Burleigh Grimes, Chick Hafey, Jesse Haines, Harry Hooper, Waite Hoyt, Travis Jackson, Addie Joss, George Kell, High Pockets Kelly, Chuck Klein, Tony Lazzeri, Heinie Manush, Rube Marquard, Bill Mazeroski, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Edd Roush, Ray Schalk, Lloyd Waner, Hack Wilson, Ross Youngs.

The Veteran's Committee has never been a strong committee when it comes to elections. Nepotism is rife within the committee (partially because the committee is selected - at least with the BBWAA you must have been hired by a journalistic enterprise and subsequently held membership for ten years, though writers who stopped following baseball kept the vote for many years until a recent rules change and many baseball experts were denied membership for years, like John Thorn or Bill James), leading to the Frankie Frisch Superfriends committee era, or the Baines selection.

The Committee does a valuable service in picking players who were wrongfully ignored, like Johnny Mize or George Davis (the best shortstop in the game's history prior to the emergence of Honus Wagner, but who became so obscure after his retirement that the baseball world didn't find out that Davis had died until twenty years after the fact, thanks to dogged investigation by Lee Allen, historian at the NBHOF). It also picks some obviously unqualified candidates. The fact that the BBWAA voters have often ignored players, sometimes because of a lack of information (particularly in the early years), unclear rules of eligibility, or the character clause (which is probably what kept Dick Allen out of the Hall, where "character" in this case was simply an excuse to further the racist treatment Allen had received during his playing career), necessitates some sort of "back door" to bring in people who deserve a plaque (as well as a method to elect non-players who are currently ineligible for the BBWAA ballot). However, there is no right answer for how that back door should be designed, unless you farm out the qualifications of selecting the voters to some other body (perhaps give the job to SABR, somehow, rather than a group selected by the NBHOF itself).

 

[bambamcam4ever]

call it whatever you want. My point is that if you have a vote for the HOF and don’t vote for someone because of their opinions/thoughts outside of baseball then you shouldn’t have a vote anymore. You’re there to judge a player on their baseball achievements.

I really couldn’t care less, I just think it’s funny considering how many shitty people are in the HOF

Sounds like you are trying cancel their freedom of opinion.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Schilling's twitter shouldn't keep him out of the hall of fame, but it seems to be, it's not the hall of morality, but he also isn't doing himself any favors. I bet his % actually goes down next year if they do keep him on the ballot. And unless a bunch of people were holding off til the final year out of spite, Bonds and Clemens won't get in either. Which will officially make the HoF illegitimate in my book. Keeping a Top 3 position player and top 5 pitcher of all time out of there is a complete and utter joke, even if steroids were magic pills. Especially when they were using them at a time nearly everyone else was and the writers/owners/league all looked the other way. The fact that Selig, who allowed it all is in, makes it even more laughable.


Another couple light ballots coming up too. Unless Rolen/Wagner/Helton keep trending up we might not have someone elected til 2024 or longer.

Next year is Rodriguez, who will get the Bonds and Clemens treatment and Ortiz, who also won't get in next year because he's not "first ballot" but eventually will because the 2003 test will be ignored by the hypocrite writers who vilify others for it because he's "Big Papi!". Guys like Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Mark Teixeira and Prince Fielder may be the Buerhle/Hunter of this year just doing enough to stay on the ballot.

In 2023, literally all you have is Carlos Beltran, who should get in eventually, but I doubt it in year one. No one else is even worth a vote.
In 2024 the only sure thing is Adrian Beltre, but he won't get in right away either cause of the first ballot nonsense. Chase Utley and Joe Mauer also become eligible that year.

 

[Perennial]

IMO, if Beltran is worthy of induction, I think Abreu is too...

Yeah, Beltran has the higher career WAR because he was a CF, but Abreu was the better offensive player

 

[bluesfan94]

call it whatever you want. My point is that if you have a vote for the HOF and don’t vote for someone because of their opinions/thoughts outside of baseball then you shouldn’t have a vote anymore. You’re there to judge a player on their baseball achievements.

I really couldn’t care less, I just think it’s funny considering how many shitty people are in the HOF

That actually isn't how voters are instructed to determine who belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

[TonyDeAngelo]

The man belongs in the hall of fame.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

The writers gladly inducted a ton of poor character people, many who were probably worse people than Schilling but in this day and age they suddenly have morals.

Whatever. Its a joke a bunch of journalists get to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Should have guys that actually played and worked in the game do it.

I agree character clause is worthless.

But I also can't be mad at baseball writers for not wanting to vote for someone who advocates for killing journalists.

 

[Voight]

IMO, if Beltran is worthy of induction, I think Abreu is too...

Yeah, Beltran has the higher career WAR because he was a CF, but Abreu was the better offensive player

Abreu will be hampered by the "late start" to his career. Not his fault he was born in a Communist regime that had 0 desire for him to play professional baseball but the lack of high career stats will hurt.

Beltran also had at least 4 fWAR every healthy season rom 1999 to 2011 so he was pretty consistent. & he obviously has fantastic playoff stats which will 100% push him over the edge into the hall IMO.

 

[Perennial]

Abreu will be hampered by the "late start" to his career. Not his fault he was born in a Communist regime that had 0 desire for him to play professional baseball but the lack of high career stats will hurt.

Beltran also had at least 4 fWAR every healthy season rom 1999 to 2011 so he was pretty consistent. & he obviously has fantastic playoff stats which will 100% push him over the edge into the hall IMO.

Abreu was in the big leagues at 22... that's not really a "late start"

 

[Halladay]

No way was Abreu a HOF caliber player. Grew up watching him and no point did I think I was watching someone who belongs in Cooperstown. Very good player , somehow won a gold glove though .

 

[Memento]

I'm as liberal as it gets...but I think Schilling should make it. If you have Ty f***ing Cobb in the Hall...well, it's hard to get worse.

Also, Shoeless Joe Jackson needs to be in the Hall. I'm sorry, but if we're electing Bonds and Clemens, Shoeless Joe needs to be elected.

 

[Voight]

Abreu was in the big leagues at 22... that's not really a "late start"

long day....... I thought you were talking about Jose, not Bobby

 

[Perennial]

No way was Abreu a HOF caliber player. Grew up watching him and no point did I think I was watching someone who belongs in Cooperstown. Very good player , somehow won a gold glove though .

Higher career WAR than Guerrero...

 

[Halladay]

Higher career WAR than Guerrero...

Not by much, in 1000 more plate appearances. Vlad was clearly better to me. Beltran, Edmonds, and Andruw Jones are 3 outfielders from that time that should get in over Abreu. Edmonds is already off the ballot.