The Nylander Chronicles Part XXI - Legal Drinking Age in the US Version

[DarkKnight]

We can give him big up front bonuses too, which means he banks a lot of his salary immediately and benefits from the extra time earning interest or investments. In the end, he actually makes more money getting it straight away, like Tavares, a small advantage for a team with lots of cash on hand like the Leafs.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if Dubas gave a lowball offer knowing that Nylander probably would hold out for more. The longer he holds out (up until December 1st), the better for our cap hit after this season.

If the team kept winning and morale was high, that lowball offer would stay till right near December 1st. But if the team was struggling without Nylander or it was affecting team morale, they'd have to compromise on market value sooner.

Maybe over the past 2 horrible games the players were distracted from all this, and Dubas decided to settle now, even though it's earlier than he had wanted.

All speculation of course. Just thinking out loud.

Dubas was smart to extend the olive branch when the Leafs were riding high. If he had gone as they started cooling off that may have strengthened the Nylander camp. But now it's just hopefully headed towards a good resolution.

 

[Stephen]

We can give him big up front bonuses too, which means he banks a lot of his salary immediately and benefits from the extra time earning interest or investments. In the end, he actually makes more money getting it straight away, like Tavares, a small advantage for a team with lots of cash on hand like the Leafs.

Or we give him his money pre-lockout or whatever.

 

[PromisedLand]

The problem is, the cap savings are the way they are because the combined cap savings is equal to what Nylander loses, so it's definitely not something you would do on purpose. Let me explain by using the example someone else posted below.



*Using this example as a point to the above post*

Using the 1st example sure the normal cap masquerades as a 6 x 6.5 contract. But in reality Nylander is losing out on $722,222.22 by missing the first 20 days of the season. So he's only making $38,277,777.78 over the course of the contract. If he were open to making that amount of money over 6 years when the season started. He could have signed for that amount over 6 years. Guess what the cap hit would have been? $38,277,777.78 / 6 years = $6,379,629 which is exactly the cap hit one would get by intentionally waiting to now and pretending it's a 6.5 x 6 contract.

You say Dubas could go to Nylander and say hey Willy, wait until later, say 50 days into the season, you get your money, and we get a lower cap hit. Here's how those calculations go

Cap hit years 2-6 = [6.5*(130/180)+32.5)/6 = $6,119,074.07

You say look Willy, we can save almost $400k on the cap by waiting 50 days, just wait it out until then buddy, it's for the best. However factor in how much Nylander is getting paid. He's losing out on (50/180)*6.5 = $1,805,555.56 million in the first year. So he's only making $37,194,444.44 over the course of the contract. Which you may say, yeah that's his loss for holding out or whatever, and you're partially right, by waiting he's losing money, that's on him. But by doing it on purpose you're suggesting that this is a planned thing, that Nylander is ok with making that amount of money and he's ok waiting to accomplish it. But knowing he's ok to do that we can just do this instead. Give Nylander an offer of 6 x $6,316,037.73 right now for a total of $37,896,226.38. How does that work into the formula you ask? Well he's making less money you say? Lets do the math:

Money Nylander makes = (160/180) * $6,316,037.73 + 5 * $6,316,037.73 = $37,194,444.44

It's the exact same amount of money he gets by waiting 30 more days for a 6.5 x 6 offer. So there's no reason for Nylander to wait to wait. But surely the cap hit must end up higher. Lets see:

Years 2+ cap hit: [$6,316,037.73 * (160/180) + 31,580,188.65]/6 = $6,199,074.07

Which is the exact same cap hit as you receive by waiting. The 6.5 x 6 offer in 30 days time looks higher, but Nylander is getting the same amount of money, and the cap hit is the same as the 6 x $6,316,037.73 offer today. And that one today means Nylander is probably playing Saturday.

Unless Nylander wants to hold out and get what looks like the higher number to save face or something it makes no sense. If he's willing to take that amount of money over 6 years then sign it now for the altered number that has the same end result.

I guess if one looks at the pay as per diem basis then yup clearly Nylander is losing big money. And yup; I agree with you that Nylander not playing is actually losing money although the math on the cap hit works that way.

One thing in my mind that was there when I wrote that post but didn't put it in text was "advertising revenue" etc.....

Although, Nylander could have signed earlier and made that additional income without having to lose money to begin with sure.... but to be honest eventhough Nylander is losing money..... It does help Leafs' cap situation.

 

[PromisedLand]

You still can't do that breakdown because of this CBA rule



It's the lowest year has to be no less than 50% of the highest, not the last year has to be 50% of the highest.

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to redo the thing now lol

 

[Canada4Gold]

I guess if one looks at the pay as per diem basis then yup clearly Nylander is losing big money. And yup; I agree with you that Nylander not playing is actually losing money although the math on the cap hit works that way.

One thing in my mind that was there when I wrote that post but didn't put it in text was "advertising revenue" etc.....

Although, Nylander could have signed earlier and made that additional income without having to lose money to begin with sure.... but to be honest eventhough Nylander is losing money..... It does help Leafs' cap situation.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post? My point was there's no point in waiting on purpose. The CapFriendly formula is designed in a way that essentially makes the entire formula equal to the following: year 2+ cap = Money the player actually gets paid/term. By doing this what happens is the amount of total cap reduction the Leafs get over the entire contract is equal to the money Nylander loses. Thus you can create a different contract for every single day of the season from October 3rd to December 1st that has a different look to it (for example my 6.5 x 6 for 50 days in v. 6.31603773 x 6 for 20 days in) that results in the exact same money paid out, and cap hit in every single contract. Because the money paid out and cap hit are directly proportional to each other. There's no reason to wait until almost December to get a 6.1 cap hit on a 6 x 6.5 contract when they can sign one this very second that pays Nylander the same amount of money, and has the same cap hit.There's no benefit. Dubas knows that. If there was a contract right now where Nylander and Dubas would be willing to accept X amount of money that gives the Leafs Y cap hit they would have it signed rather than wait 30 more days for a contract that looks artificially higher but still gives Nylander X amount of money with a Y cap hit.

You can design any contract structure you'd like and wait as close to December 1st as you'd like and post it here, and I'll give you a contract that could be signed today that gives Nylander the exact same amount of money and give the Leafs the exact same cap hit.

 

[NoTouchIcing]

4 years with an AAV that starts with 6 is more than fine. 4 years isn't a short contract and he'll still be a RFA at the end of it.

If there is anything that can help massage through these next two years, it is the top priority.

Sandin, Liljegren, won't be commanding any type of money within the next four years.

Even if he hits 61 for the next four years it's not even close to a back-breaker.

 

[PromisedLand]

Thanks to @Auston Powers and his help in clarifying the restrictions on salary structure and @Canada4Gold for further clarifying CBA and because I have nothing else to do below are the best case scenarios: (corrections allowing for more restrictions)

6 year deals

6.5 x 6 (if signed today)

6 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.68
Yr 2	6.94	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.35	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.34	0%	50%
Total Value	39.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	6.30
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	7.10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.94
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.69

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 x 6 (if signed today)

6 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	9.86
Yr 2	6.41	-35%	65%
Yr 3	4.93	-23%	50%
Yr 4	4.93	0%	50%
Yr 5	4.93	0%	50%
Yr 6	4.93	0%	50%
Total Value	36.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.81
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	6.55

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.48
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.02

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

7 year deals

6.5 x 7 (if signed today)

7 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.96
Yr 2	7.12	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.48	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 7	5.48	0%	50%
Total Value	45.5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	6.46
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	7.29

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	6.09
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.92

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 x 7 (if signed today)

7 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.12
Yr 2	6.58	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.06	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 7	5.06	0%	50%
Total Value	42.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	5.97
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	6.73

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	5.62
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.23

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Whats the preferred deal here that works for both Leafs and Nylander?

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't understand what this has to do with my post? My point was there's no point in waiting on purpose. The CapFriendly formula is designed in a way that essentially makes the entire formula equal to the following: year 2+ cap = Money the player actually gets paid/term. By doing this what happens is the amount of total cap reduction the Leafs get over the entire contract is equal to the money Nylander loses. Thus you can create a different contract for every single day of the season from October 3rd to December 1st that has a different look to it (for example my 6.5 x 6 for 50 days in v. 6.31603773 x 6 for 20 days in) that results in the exact same money paid out, and cap hit in every single contract. Because the money paid out and cap hit are directly proportional to each other. There's no reason to wait until almost December to get a 6.1 cap hit on a 6 x 6.5 contract when they can sign one this very second that pays Nylander the same amount of money, and has the same cap hit.There's no benefit. Dubas knows that. If there was a contract right now where Nylander and Dubas would be willing to accept X amount of money that gives the Leafs Y cap hit they would have it signed rather than wait 30 more days for a contract that looks artificially higher but still gives Nylander X amount of money with a Y cap hit.

You can design any contract structure you'd like and wait as close to December 1st as you'd like and post it here, and I'll give you a contract that could be signed today that gives Nylander the exact same amount of money and give the Leafs the exact same cap hit.

EDIT:

Just re-read your post

Do not totally agree with you; unless cap friendly formula is incorrect. The number or cap that the Leafs gain from Yr 2 onward would get close to the amount Nylander loses (depending on the contract he ends up signing).

So basically it is in Leafs' interest to delay as much as possible so to speak before signing the contract and it is in Nylander's interest to sign the contract ASAP unless he is expecting to get a big pay raise.

Basically if Nylander settles for close to the amount initially offered by the Leafs then it was really stupid by Willy to hold out.

If that is not the story then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Leafs low balled Willy big time

 

[Clark4Ever]

I would be pretty surprised at those terms. 6 years x $7 million is pretty high. What could he possibly have been asking for if all this was to get him to come down to almost $7 million per.

About 8.5 million per...

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't think most people have any issues giving good quality young players term but in almost every other situation it's undesirable, especially if contracts are guaranteed

Having players move more doesn't hurt either if your trying to drive interest in the game

I wouldn't be surprised if the owners wanted to attack those front loaded bonus Laden deals either

Don’t know bro. Think the owners don’t like the profit sharing and won’t like the idea of a sold cap and the Franchise Player tag in the NFL.

 

[thewave]

Muskoka 5 redux?

 

[Ratboy]

Make it stop

 

[DarkKnight]

Make it stop

I actually think it's about too...

 

[authentic]

I actually think it's about too...

But when?

 

[Hclass47]

Willy has lost appx 660k to date...

 

[TML1967]

Thanks to @Auston Powers and his help in clarifying the restrictions on salary structure and @Canada4Gold for further clarifying CBA and because I have nothing else to do below are the best case scenarios: (corrections allowing for more restrictions)

6 year deals

6.5 x 6 (if signed today)

6 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.68
Yr 2	6.94	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.35	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.34	0%	50%
Total Value	39.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	6.30
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	7.10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.94
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.69

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Whats the preferred deal here that works for both Leafs and Nylander?

I think this is the most realistic of the longer term deals.
I dont know why, but i feel like its gonna be a 4 year deal in the 20ish range. It would be nice if years 2-4 had an AAV of 5 million.

I assume that he doesnt sign tonight or tomorrow until the game is done.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I'll preface this by saying the main thing I want is for the bolded question at the bottom to be answered.

Yup not disagreeing with you. The number or cap that the Leafs gain from Yr 2 onward would get close to the amount Nylander loses (depending on the contract he ends up signing).

So basically it is in Leafs' interest to delay as much as possible so to speak before signing the contract and it is in Nylander's interest to sign the contract ASAP unless he is expecting to get a big pay raise.

Basically if Nylander settles for close to the amount initially offered by the Leafs then it was really stupid by Willy to hold out.

If that is not the story then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Leafs low balled Willy big time

Clearly you are disagreeing with me because all of those bolded things are not what I said at all and I have no clue how you read those 2 posts and came to those conclusions but alas I'll give it a go again, and use the 4 contracts you constructed below as additional examples.

Thanks to @Auston Powers and his help in clarifying the restrictions on salary structure and @Canada4Gold for further clarifying CBA and because I have nothing else to do below are the best case scenarios: (corrections allowing for more restrictions)

6 year deals

6.5 x 6 (if signed today)

6 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.68
Yr 2	6.94	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.35	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.35	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.34	0%	50%
Total Value	39.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	6.30
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	7.10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.94
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.69

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 x 6 (if signed today)

6 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	9.86
Yr 2	6.41	-35%	65%
Yr 3	4.93	-23%	50%
Yr 4	4.93	0%	50%
Yr 5	4.93	0%	50%
Yr 6	4.93	0%	50%
Total Value	36.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.81
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	6.55

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 6	Cap-Hit	5.48
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.02

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

7 year deals

6.5 x 7 (if signed today)

7 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.96
Yr 2	7.12	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.48	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.48	0%	50%
Yr 7	5.48	0%	50%
Total Value	45.5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	6.46
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	7.29

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	6.09
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.92

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 x 7 (if signed today)

7 Years
Years	$ values	% change	2nd restriction
Yr 1	10.12
Yr 2	6.58	-35%	65%
Yr 3	5.06	-23%	50%
Yr 4	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 5	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 6	5.06	0%	50%
Yr 7	5.06	0%	50%
Total Value	42.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	5.97
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	6.73

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If signed on Dec 1st salary structure is the same cap hits change

Yr2 to Yr 7	Cap-Hit	5.62
Yr 1	Cap-Hit	8.23

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Whats the preferred deal here that works for both Leafs and Nylander?

6 x 6.5 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.94 million

Nylander actually makes: 39.0 - (59/186)*10.68 = $35.61 million

Rather than wait until then on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 6 x 6.044 million

Cap hit: [6.044 * (166/186)+30.22]/6 = 5.94 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 6.05 + 30.25 million = 35.61 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets same money

6 x 6 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.48 million

Nylander actually makes: 36.0 - (59/186)*9.86 = 32.87 million

Rather than wait until then on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 6 x 5.578 million

Cap hit: [5.578 * (166/186)+27.89]/6 = 5.48 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 5.58 + 27.9 = 32.87 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

Your last 2 examples I believe you used the wrong number for days left in the season. Dec 1st it's 127, it appears you used 137 for both. I'll go ahead and do the examples with the correct numbers I calculate which should be 6.00, and 5.54

7 x 6.5 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 6.00 million

Nylander actually makes: 45.5 - (59/186) * 10.96 = 42.02 million

Rather than wait on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 7 x 6.097 million

Cap hit: [6.097 * (166/186) + 36.582]/7 = 6.00 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 6.097 + 36.582 = 42.02 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

7 x 6.50 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.54 million

Nylander actually makes: 42.0 - (59/186) * 10.12 = 38.79 million

Rather than wait on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 7 x 5.628

Cap hit: [5.628 * (166/186) + 33.768]/7 = 5.54 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 5.628 + 33.768 = 38.79 million

it's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

Now there are the 4 examples you gave. For all 4 of them I devised a contract today that could be signed that gives Nylander the exact same amount of money, and gives the Leafs the exact same cap hit, and gets him back on the ice in games now. Can you please tell me why the Leafs would wait, on purpose, until December 1st to get these cap hits and salaries to Nylander when you can sign him to those other contract right now that give the exact same result?

Your 6 x 6.5 contract on Dec 1st = My 6.044 x 6 contract signed today, 5.94 cap, 35.61 paid
Your 6 x 6.0 contract on Dec 1st = My 5.578 x 6 contract signed today, 5.48 cap, 32.87 paid
Your 7 x 6.5 contract on Dec 1st = My 6.097 x 7 contract signed today, 6.00 cap, 42.02 paid
Your 7 x 6.0 contract on Dec 1st = My 5.628 x 7 contract signed today, 5.54 cap, 38.79 paid

In every single case the Cap hit, and money paid to Nylander is the same as your example. All I want to klnow is why you think the Leafs would wait on purpose to get an identical result?

You'll also notice, that when you multiply those cap hits by the term you end up with the money paid(with minor erros because numbers were rounded). That's because like I said the cap is directly proportional to the money paid and thus the cap space gained is equivalent to the money Nylander loses.

 

[Amadeus]

Kapanen - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo
Johnson

That's such a sweet lineup.

 

[34]

Kapanen - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo
Johnson

That's such a sweet lineup.

Will be good when Ennis is out of the line up permanently.

 

[lovemyleafs]

Kapanen - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo
Johnson

That's such a sweet lineup.

Having Brown on that third line is such a turn off though. I'd rather have Leivo or even Johnnsson on the wing than Brown.

 

[hector morrison]

Kapanen - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo
Johnson

That's such a sweet lineup.

Swap Marleau with Hyman!

 

[Kiwi]

Don’t know bro. Think the owners don’t like the profit sharing and won’t like the idea of a sold cap and the Franchise Player tag in the NFL.

I think the first thing the owners go after is the 8 year contract length and the bonus laden deals first
That hurts a lot of the poorer teams and they will be motivated to push the others to go after them

I think the players will be looking at escrow but I doubt they get much traction with the owners on that

 

[hfman]

I'll preface this by saying the main thing I want is for the bolded question at the bottom to be answered.




Clearly you are disagreeing with me because all of those bolded things are not what I said at all and I have no clue how you read those 2 posts and came to those conclusions but alas I'll give it a go again, and use the 4 contracts you constructed below as additional examples.



6 x 6.5 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.94 million

Nylander actually makes: 39.0 - (59/186)*10.68 = $35.61 million

Rather than wait until then on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 6 x 6.044 million

Cap hit: [6.044 * (166/186)+30.22]/6 = 5.94 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 6.05 + 30.25 million = 35.61 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets same money

6 x 6 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.48 million

Nylander actually makes: 36.0 - (59/186)*9.86 = 32.87 million

Rather than wait until then on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 6 x 5.578 million

Cap hit: [5.578 * (166/186)+27.89]/6 = 5.48 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 5.58 + 27.9 = 32.87 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

Your last 2 examples I believe you used the wrong number for days left in the season. Dec 1st it's 127, it appears you used 137 for both. I'll go ahead and do the examples with the correct numbers I calculate which should be 6.00, and 5.54

7 x 6.5 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 6.00 million

Nylander actually makes: 45.5 - (59/186) * 10.96 = 42.02 million

Rather than wait on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 7 x 6.097 million

Cap hit: [6.097 * (166/186) + 36.582]/7 = 6.00 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 6.097 + 36.582 = 42.02 million

It's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

7 x 6.50 contract signed on December 1st for a cap hit of 5.54 million

Nylander actually makes: 42.0 - (59/186) * 10.12 = 38.79 million

Rather than wait on purpose. They could sign the following evenly distributed contract today: 7 x 5.628

Cap hit: [5.628 * (166/186) + 33.768]/7 = 5.54 million

Money Nylander gets paid: (166/186) * 5.628 + 33.768 = 38.79 million

it's the same cap hit, Nylander gets the same money

Now there are the 4 examples you gave. For all 4 of them I devised a contract today that could be signed that gives Nylander the exact same amount of money, and gives the Leafs the exact same cap hit, and gets him back on the ice in games now. Can you please tell me why the Leafs would wait, on purpose, until December 1st to get these cap hits and salaries to Nylander when you can sign him to those other contract right now that give the exact same result?

Your 6 x 6.5 contract on Dec 1st = My 6.044 x 6 contract signed today, 5.94 cap, 35.61 paid
Your 6 x 6.0 contract on Dec 1st = My 5.578 x 6 contract signed today, 5.48 cap, 32.87 paid
Your 7 x 6.5 contract on Dec 1st = My 6.097 x 7 contract signed today, 6.00 cap, 42.02 paid
Your 7 x 6.0 contract on Dec 1st = My 5.628 x 7 contract signed today, 5.54 cap, 38.79 paid

In every single case the Cap hit, and money paid to Nylander is the same as your example. All I want to klnow is why you think the Leafs would wait on purpose to get an identical result?

You'll also notice, that when you multiply those cap hits by the term you end up with the money paid(with minor erros because numbers were rounded). That's because like I said the cap is directly proportional to the money paid and thus the cap space gained is equivalent to the money Nylander loses.

you guys are fascinating

 

[DanM]

I think the first thing the owners go after is the 8 year contract length and the bonus laden deals first
That hurts a lot of the poorer teams and they will be motivated to push the others to go after them

I think the players will be looking at escrow but I doubt they get much traction with the owners on that

We already have revenue sharing and a hard cap to help the poor teams. For god sakes let the rich teams be able to spend money on signing bonuses lol

It would be nice to have that advantage, large markets have gave enough.