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Haj said:I'm just an Electrical Engineer.
That's ALL you are? An electrical engineer?
Dude, most of the people in here sound like they are still in high school.
Haj said:I'm just an Electrical Engineer.
tantalum said:I'm guessing that under a luxury tax any injured players salaries won't count towards the threshold. As only the 23 players on the active roster would count...a player on the IR is not on the active roster. Meaning provided a player can be picked up at that same salary (or more if the team has room under the cap) it isn't a problem. You only really replace a player if he's gone for the season anyways. As well there may be options to temporarily go over the threshold or increasing the threshold a bit for the playoffs or whatever else you can think of to be negotiated. Or teams could just plan on leaving some damn room to prepare for those possibilities they may need ot add someone.
pacde said:To all the people who think this is because GM's arent responsible and nobody is holding a gun to their head, remember that GM's have to balance the need of three distinct groups in running their operation. First the fans who pay their wage (and dont want to see their star players leave for more lucrative markets), second there is the league consisting partially of 29 other GM's who set the market value for their players ( and they cant "Collude" with) and third, the players themselves who only are looking out for #1 (and in some cases care deeply about who they play for and where they play). I think its clear that when fans want the player to stay and the other GM's in the league have set a market value beyond what the team can reasonably afford and the player threatens to hold out (thereby presumably reducing the teams competitiveness and thereby ticket sales and income), a lot of GM's must feel like there are three guns to their head.
Simple as that. No need to change anything just get some guys who realize its not rotisserie. Nevermind its not a normal business they are running but a business in the framework of a 30 team league of NHL players. Yes simple as pie.Trottier said:Since I used the gun to the head metaphor, I'll respond. No shedding of tears here for the challenges of an NHL GM, which you outlined well. That's why they get paid the big bucks. They are managing a multi-million dollar business, not a rotisserie team, you know?
The very best ones manage to navigate around each of the hurdles you describe. Others are less successful. The capitalist system at work.
SwisshockeyAcademy said:Simple as that. No need to change anything just get some guys who realize its not rotisserie. Nevermind its not a normal business they are running but a business in the framework of a 30 team league of NHL players. Yes simple as pie.
PecaFan said:A *huge* hole. I don't want the PA deciding where the bonus money goes.
How are you getting that number? The PA offer adds up to 16.2 (pgs 6-8).
And something that's gone unnoticed it seems, is that half the season is already gone. But the PA's "savings" are based on a full season. So they toss around a $269 million dollar figure for 04/05, when in reality the reductions would be half that.
Add one of my favourite bits of misdirection is the Qualifying Offer savings tables. Why, the Canucks will save $6 million in qualifying offers!
Which would be fine, if every player accepted QO's. But they don't. That number is meaningless. Many of those players will turn their noses up at a base QO. Many will file for arbitration. Others will hold out, until they get a deal they think is worthy.
Nope. Any new salaries can be used as comparables as well. Otherwise, in a few years, there'd be no players left on the 24% contracts, and no one could be used as a comparable any more. Arbitration would cease to exist.
So any player who's currently unsigned, and signs as soon as the CBA is done instantly becomes a comparable. And the whole process inflates again.
Trottier said:Great reply! Now go back to your rotisserie league draft and "Economics for Dummies" book, sport. :lol
Wow, what an aimless rant. Are you drunk this afternoon?Trottier said:Great reply! Now go back to your rotisserie league draft and "Economics for Dummies" book, sport. :lol
If you are going to pounce genius, at least don't misrepresent the poster's comment. Your's truly is in favor of allowing the best GMs to win out. Apparently, you and your ilk are in favor of "engineering" the process so that (forced) parrrrrity and equalllllity rules the day. Intelligence? Business acumen? Who needs it in your hardcap vision of the world, where we reggggggulate success? Mediocrity now, mediocrity forever. Punish the wealthy teams, the successful teams and let the ordinary have their day. Like intramurals. Everybody wins, equalllly! Regardless of merit. Happy, happy, feel good. Pathetic socialism.
pacde said:To all the people who think this is because GM's arent responsible and nobody is holding a gun to their head, remember that GM's have to balance the need of three distinct groups in running their operation. First the fans who pay their wage (and dont want to see their star players leave for more lucrative markets), second there is the league consisting partially of 29 other GM's who set the market value for their players ( and they cant "Collude" with) and third, the players themselves who only are looking out for #1 (and in some cases care deeply about who they play for and where they play).
Peter said:As for as the QO's...I don't exactly see it the way you do. The QO's are a good thing. You are right though, the player's don't have to accept them...just like it works under the expired CBA. Or they can go to the new arbitration. I see no problem with this at all. A smart GM a la Brian Burke can use the QO's to their team's advantage. The problem comes when GM's won't use it to their advantage.
Trottier said:Since I used the gun to the head metaphor, I'll respond. No shedding of tears here for the challenges of an NHL GM, which you outlined well. That's why they get paid the big bucks. They are managing a multi-million dollar business, not a rotisserie team, you know?
The very best ones manage to navigate around each of the hurdles you describe. Others are less successful. The capitalist system at work.
"Navigating" sometimes means making the hard decisions on free agents, in the light of silly fan hysteria and what others are willing to pay. Like Lou L. allowing Mogilny and Holik to walk. Like Anaheim allowing Kariya to walk, etc. Fan reaction is important, as you need customers, but they do not dictate personnel decisions of the best GMs.
Donnie D said:For those of you who still cannot see through the player's association smokescreen let me try and explain it a differenct way. Ok it's not a perfect analogy, but you should be able to get the idea:
For sale - New LEXUS for 24% off the sticker price.
You have to finance it from me for 5 years at an 18% interest rate and you can't pay it off early.
You are getting hung up on the 24% off and missing the point that salaries will continue to increase as they have for the past 10 years.
PecaFan said:My point is simply that QO's are not salaries. So you can't add them up, and say "Look! A savings!". A smart GM can do everything right, and yet at the end of the day pay nowhere even close to that number they're trumpeting. That number is a theoretical minimum that is impossible to achieve, because it ignores arbitration, and the concept of free will by hockey players. Only a small percentage of players will accept a minimum QO.
It's like saying I can run a business with five employee $10,000 a year. All I need is to find five folks who will work for $2,000 a year.
Trottier said:Does your analogy not assume that the escalation in NHL salaries is mandated, as is the payback (with high interest) on the car loan?