Fogelhund
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I don't know I dudnt get that far. Maybe Brown for Virtanan (sp?) And they throw in Tanev on LTIR and a first rounder?? I haven't thought it through admittedly.Well what then?
I don't know I dudnt get that far. Maybe Brown for Virtanan (sp?) And they throw in Tanev on LTIR and a first rounder?? I haven't thought it through admittedly.
You have to read better. I haven't thought it through implies there have been some thoughts. Maybe you think differently or perhaps you are a contrairian but those are my predictions and in July 2018 they are as good as any.
You know there is an ignore button. Feel free to use it if you don't like my ideas. I won't take it personally.If there are some thoughts, they are poor at best.
You seriously think Vancouver would ever consider.
Brown
for
Virtanen
Tanev
and Vancouver's first in 2019, after the draft lottery, and they are picking 1st OA.
I'm not going to argue about the merits of Brown vs. Virtanen, though their value is probably fairly close.
But then to throw in Tanev, a top 4 D, who is an elite defender AND the 1st OA pick. LOL Even in some completely misguided notion that Tanev becomes injured this year to the point that he never plays again.... Vancouver aren't in any Cap trouble, or revenue trouble, and would have no need to remove him from their books. Even if they needed to remove him from the books, no team would ever give the 1st OA up for someone to take a body for ONE season, and LTIR them. That's just ridiculous.
interesting. He's not a prototypical goalie. He's tiny!I’m against taking a goalie in round 1.
But boy, Dustin Wolf to me is easily the best goalie in the draft. Had a tremendous rookie year in the WHL. I think by the end of the year, he’ll be ranked in round 1
interesting. He's not a prototypical goalie. He's tiny!
More recently wasn't Carter Hart 5'11" in his draft year or something? Now he's 6'2". As long as they're not Enroth small, they can play in todays game.He's 6'0, by next summer he'll probably be 6'0.5 - 6'1.
I think the whole "goalies must be 6'3 or taller to be good" is sorta over now. Both Fleury and Holtby are listed as 6'2. Bobrovsky is 6'2. Quick is 6'1. Lundqvist is 6'1.
But hey, if Dustin Wolf falls into the late 2nd round because he's not 6'3, I'll be more than happy to snag him then
More recently wasn't Carter Hart 5'11" in his draft year or something? Now he's 6'2". As long as they're not Enroth small, they can play in todays game.
I think Dipietro showed how smaller goalies are viewed at the draft. He measured in at 6 foot exactly. He slipped to the early 3rd and went behind more prototypical builds in Oettinger and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.He's 6'0, by next summer he'll probably be 6'0.5 - 6'1.
I think the whole "goalies must be 6'3 or taller to be good" is sorta over now. Both Fleury and Holtby are listed as 6'2. Bobrovsky is 6'2. Quick is 6'1. Lundqvist is 6'1.
But hey, if Dustin Wolf falls into the late 2nd round because he's not 6'3, I'll be more than happy to snag him then
I think Dipietro showed how smaller goalies are viewed at the draft. He measured in at 6 foot exactly. He slipped to the early 3rd and went behind more prototypical builds in Oettinger and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.
He's 6'0, by next summer he'll probably be 6'0.5 - 6'1.
I think the whole "goalies must be 6'3 or taller to be good" is sorta over now. Both Fleury and Holtby are listed as 6'2. Bobrovsky is 6'2. Quick is 6'1. Lundqvist is 6'1.
But hey, if Dustin Wolf falls into the late 2nd round because he's not 6'3, I'll be more than happy to snag him then
Pronman mentioned in his piece about the USA Hlinka camp that Wolf was 5'11. If that's his actual height, it will be very hard to get drafted before the 4th.I do not think it is a must as much as they'll have to be well above average to make up for it. It's kind of like really small players. If they are amazing, then they'll make it regardless of size, but they are going to have a lot tougher time making it than someone who is skilled and larger.
I do not think goalies who are under 6'1" are going to be that popular regardless of how good they are. Unless they are someone like Saros, who would have easily been a 1st round goalie had he been a normal size, most of them are going to be ignored. Then the 6'1/6'2" goalies will probably be taken a bit lower than if they were a few inches bigger, but if they are good, they'll still end up taken eventually.
Generally not worthwhile to draft goalies high. Its better to acquire young promising one through trades like we did with Andersen. Plus, any goalie we draft, I doubt they will be ready to be an NHLer in 2021-22. The only hope would be for Woll to be ready by then. I can't think of the last goalie who was ready to be an NHL starting goalie 2 years after their draft.Definitely need to draft a high end goalie if there is one in this draft. I cannot see Frederik Andersen being a part of this team after his current contract runs out. I don't think it makes sense to have a goalie making that much money in our cap structure.
Generally not worthwhile to draft goalies high. Its better to acquire young promising one through trades like we did with Andersen. Plus, any goalie we draft, I doubt they will be ready to be an NHLer in 2021-22. The only hope would be for Woll to be ready by then. I can't think of the last goalie who was ready to be an NHL starting goalie 2 years after their draft.
Definitely need to draft a high end goalie if there is one in this draft. I cannot see Frederik Andersen being a part of this team after his current contract runs out. I don't think it makes sense to have a goalie making that much money in our cap structure.
Making 5M?
Freddy is a bargain. If he's willing to stick around, which he probably will, we certainly should be looking to keep him.
It's very hard to find a quality starting goalie. Freddy is that.
He won’t be making 5M in his next contract. I’m happy with him now for another 3 years but after that he will likely have to go. Don’t think it makes a whole lot of sense to pay him 6.5-7M when he’s 31-32 years old.
We can save that money and use it elsewhere and use a cheap goalie. Hopefully Sparks can be the answer. He doesn’t have to be elite. Just has to be a decent #1 goalie.
Even if he gets a raise, he'll be getting 5.5-6.5ish. Just 5 goalies make more than that currently, and maybe one of them could be considered a good contract. Depending how the cap rises, maybe it sneaks up to the 7ish range, but that would still be the same cap percentage. That is well worth it. Freddy is a key to the team. If you look around the league, there's only like 8 to 11 good to elite starting goalies, the rest are average. With how the Leafs team is built, they need a good to elite starter, as we have less cap to put into our defense.
You don't trade or not re-sign a goaltender like Andersen. He's a good to great starting goalie, and they aren't what you walk away from because they turn 31.
Would be nice to add a true blue chip goalie prospect to our group. I can't remember the last big goalie prospect we had? Rask? Not sure i'd want to use a 1st rounder on one but if Dubas and co identify a goalie there i could support it. The 20ish range for any prospect is a roll of the dice.
Having an ELC goalie be ready in time for when all the big boys are resigned and Andersen's contract expiring would be a nice boost for short term cap savings. Similar to how Tampa has a bit of flexibility right now with Vasilevski being cheap.
I like what we did at the draft this year. We have to keep drafting and developing to have a consistent cycle of young players on ELC. Once they get costly we should be moving them and replacing them with younger cheaper players. The Browns and Hymans of the world really have no place on this team when the big boys start making money.
Would be nice to add a true blue chip goalie prospect to our group. I can't remember the last big goalie prospect we had? Rask? Not sure i'd want to use a 1st rounder on one but if Dubas and co identify a goalie there i could support it. The 20ish range for any prospect is a roll of the dice.
Having an ELC goalie be ready in time for when all the big boys are resigned and Andersen's contract expiring would be a nice boost for short term cap savings. Similar to how Tampa has a bit of flexibility right now with Vasilevski being cheap.
I like what we did at the draft this year. We have to keep drafting and developing to have a consistent cycle of young players on ELC. Once they get costly we should be moving them and replacing them with younger cheaper players. The Browns and Hymans of the world really have no place on this team when the big boys start making money.