Rumor: The never-ending Myers rumors

[stokes84]

DeKeyser and Mantha is my pipe dream offer but maybe Holland will lose his brain become desperate enough.

Good call on DeKeyser. We'd have to add to that though. If we could get DeKeyser + Pulkinnen, I'd be pumped.

 

[dire wolf]

I'm a little worried that TM could eventually succumb to the momentum of these rumors and offers and trade Myers for no particular reason. I'm sure he'll get fair value back, but there really is no reason at all to trade Myers unless we're getting a stupid return.

 

[Beerz]

Pulkkinen, Sproul, Ouellet... These are some really good pieces. Pulkkinen is the epitome of how Detroit develops better than anyone. The kid is just destroying the AHL.

Not interested in any of those pieces for Myers.

 

[enthusiast]

At the end of the day all it will amount to is a package that Murray thinks will help the team more than Myers. We saw that "value" matters less with the Fasching deal imo

 

[5 Minute Major]

I'm a little worried that TM could eventually succumb to the momentum of these rumors and offers and trade Myers for no particular reason. I'm sure he'll get fair value back, but there really is no reason at all to trade Myers unless we're getting a stupid return.

If TM trades Myers for "no particular reason", the Sabres have a lot more to worry about moving forward than any of us know.

Good thing is that he won't trade Myers for no particular reason.

 

[stokes84]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

 

[Paxon]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

I wouldn't do the first deal. The second deal is not close to enough for Arizona. I'd do the third deal.

 

[haseoke39]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

That OEL offer wouldn't get a team Myers, let alone OEL. Kane package also is being underbid.

 

[stokes84]

I wouldn't do the first deal. The second deal is not close to enough for Arizona. I'd do the third deal.

That OEL offer wouldn't get a team Myers, let alone OEL. Kane package also is being underbid.

True on the OEL deal. Girgensons/Reinhart + is probably the only thing that gets our foot in the door with OEL.

 

[ZeroPT*]

OEL is among the top assets value wise throughout the league.

24 year old #1 D on that contract? Even thinking about the price is hurting my feelings

 

[Jame]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

What you are willing to take for Myers vs what you are willing to pay for OEL is totally disconnected

That myers package is puke worthy

 

[ZeroPT*]

Prospects though! Prospects for Myers sets this team back 3 years at MINIMUM.

 

[stokes84]

Prospects though! Prospects for Myers sets this team back 3 years at MINIMUM.

Pulkkinen is NHL ready and would immediately be in our top 6. DeKeyser is already a top 4 defenseman. Prospects though.

 

[stokes84]

What you are willing to take for Myers vs what you are willing to pay for OEL is totally disconnected

That myers package is puke worthy

Why would they be connected? OEL is way more valuable.

 

[ZeroPT*]

Pulkkinen is NHL ready and would immediately be in our top 6. DeKeyser is already a top 4 defenseman. Prospects though.

I don't rate either. None of them migitate trading Myers and Pulkkinen is about as good a skater as Strachan.

We trade Myers for that package, we set the rebuild back. Prospects indeed.

 

[sabrebuild]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

What is the difference between Armia and Pulkkinen, except Pulkkinen is two years older? And is DeKeyser ever going to be more than top 4? Why is your it would never happen but I can hope dream for Myers be basically Pysyk and Armia, except a year or two further down the road.

You should probably have higher hopes for a pipe dream?

 

[ozpensfan]

Wonder if Murray will package him with St Louis's pick? Say Myers and St Louis's pick for Arizona's/Caronlias 1st

 

[Bps21*]

Those stokes offers are terrible...and hilariously they are so in all different ways. I'm not surprised at all that this is what he came up with.

To it I'd like to add:

Zadorov for Kindl, Det 2nd and a Friends season 2 DVD set (disc 3 missing)

Dougie Hamilton for the NYI 2, a half eaten ham sandwich and a Grimace shaped party balloon.

 

[TehDoak]

Pipe dream set of trades:

Myers for DeKeyser + Pulkinnen

Stl. 1st + NYI 1st + Grigorenko for OEL

Stewart + 2nd + Compher for Kane

Kane - Girgensons - Ennis
Moulson - McEichel - Gionta
Pulkinnen - Reinhart - Armia

OEL - DeKeyser
Zads - Risto
Gorges - Pysyk

Or something like that. Obviously too young to win much, but it would be a fun team to watch.

#1. Dekayser isn't a top pairing d-man. He's like 1 month younger than Myers. So, downgrading Myers to Dekayser for a undersized prospect? No way Murray does that. I wouldn't do that deal even if Detroit added their 1st rounder. The quality isn't there.
#2. It's been stated several times out there that "everyone is available EXCEPT Doan and OEL" On phoenix. Unless Darcy weeps over a framed picture of Grigerenko daily, that deal isn't happening.
#3. The stated price for Kane has been Player, Prospect, and a 1st round pick. You offered a rental player, a prospect, and a 2nd round pick. If you want Evander Kane, starts with Ennis/Foligno, a prospect, and one of the late 1sts. Maybe you can convince them to take a rental in lieu of a prospect or draft picks

The Myers deal is bad for the Sabres
The rest are bad for the other teams.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Wonder if Murray will package him with St Louis's pick? Say Myers and St Louis's pick for Arizona's/Caronlias 1st

I like the idea of packaging Myers but for someone already in the NHL.

Something like

Myers, 1st and + for first line forward. There has got to be another Seguin type deal available in the off season. I wouldn't be against Buffalo going after Hall in the off season other then the chances of injury.

 

[gallagt01]

#1. Dekayser isn't a top pairing d-man. He's like 1 month younger than Myers. So, downgrading Myers to Dekayser for a undersized prospect? No way Murray does that. I wouldn't do that deal even if Detroit added their 1st rounder. The quality isn't there.
#2. It's been stated several times out there that "everyone is available EXCEPT Doan and OEL" On phoenix. Unless Darcy weeps over a framed picture of Grigerenko daily, that deal isn't happening.
#3. The stated price for Kane has been Player, Prospect, and a 1st round pick. You offered a rental player, a prospect, and a 2nd round pick. If you want Evander Kane, starts with Ennis/Foligno, a prospect, and one of the late 1sts. Maybe you can convince them to take a rental in lieu of a prospect or draft picks

The Myers deal is bad for the Sabres
The rest are bad for the other teams.

On what planet do Ennis and Foligno have comparable trade value?

 

[stokes84]

#1. Dekayser isn't a top pairing d-man. He's like 1 month younger than Myers. So, downgrading Myers to Dekayser for a undersized prospect? No way Murray does that. I wouldn't do that deal even if Detroit added their 1st rounder. The quality isn't there.
#2. It's been stated several times out there that "everyone is available EXCEPT Doan and OEL" On phoenix. Unless Darcy weeps over a framed picture of Grigerenko daily, that deal isn't happening.
#3. The stated price for Kane has been Player, Prospect, and a 1st round pick. You offered a rental player, a prospect, and a 2nd round pick. If you want Evander Kane, starts with Ennis/Foligno, a prospect, and one of the late 1sts. Maybe you can convince them to take a rental in lieu of a prospect or draft picks

The Myers deal is bad for the Sabres
The rest are bad for the other teams.

1.). I don't think DeKeyser is a major downgrade from Myers. Small, not major. I think Pulkkinen more than makes up the difference.

2.). Maloney has said OEL is available. How committed to Auston Matthews are they? Admittedly, my proposal was way off. They would probably ask for Samson, which I would strongly consider.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...-be-up-for-grabs-as-coyotes-take-a-step-back/

3.). The stated price isn't neccesarily what they will get. The 2nd will be the 31st or 32nd pick, may as well be a 1st. What are their motivations? Do they want to get to the playoffs this year? Then they probably take a rental, a high pick and a good prospect. If not, more teams will drive the price up in the offseason. All depends on motivation.

 

[ZeroPT*]

Team building. Stokes please. OEL for Reinhardt gets us where? What does it do for us?

 

[Jame]

Why would they be connected? OEL is way more valuable.

nonsense.

TOI/60
Myers 18.35
OEL 17.33

+- Rel
0.82
0.39

+- QoC
0.054
0.037

Corsi Rel QoC
1.103
1.41

Corsi QoC
2.334
1.386

+- QoT
-0.076
0.149

Corsi Rel QoT
0.196
1.984

Corsi QoT
-26.498
-1.566

Off Zone Start %
34.7
44.8

GF On/60
1.9
2.18

GA On/60
2.59
2.89

+- On/60
-0.68
-0.71

 

[Jame]

Myers for Dekeyser and Pulkinnen is the worst trade proposal this board has seen since "4 First rounders for Brassard"