The Mighty Auston Matthews

[Vaive50]

He's not McDavid. He will not get McDavid money. To get what Tavares did he'll need to sign 7 or 8 years. If he signs a 5 year deal, he gets less.

Just like Nylander ... I'll judge these guys based upon how they do in the post season.

I think Matthews should avoid too much contact until then.

Who cares about the regular season ?

Oh really, but the way we've been losing lately, who knows if we'll even make the playoffs (if that losing continues) cause Boston is only 2 points behind us, the Sabres and Habs are within striking distance also. Our offense has been losing it for us: 2 shutouts, two 1-goal losses where we couldn't score the tying goal, we are 2-4-0 in our last 6 games with only 14 GF. And Matthews lack of scoring (1 goal in 9 games) hasn't helped like it used to before.

 

[zeke]

2018-19 Even Strength Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Matthews 3.88
2.Kucherov 3.73
3.Point 3.46
4.Gaudreau 3.38
5.Panarin 3.37

2018-19 Even Strength Primary Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Point 3.10
2.Matthews 3.07
3.Marner 3.06
4.Gaudreau 2.90
5.Petterson 2.87

2017-18 Even Strength Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.McDavid 3.30
2.Marchand 3.09
3.MacKinnon 3.07
4.Matthews 3.03
5.Barzal 2.95

2017-18 Even Strength Primary Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Matthews 2.71
2.MacKinnon 2.48
3.McDavid 2.43
4.Malkin 2.41
5.Malkin 2.26

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Do they give out any awards for that?

you're allowed to value things without the NHL explicitly telling you to

 

[JT AM da real deal]

There is too much skill not to mop up against the weaker teams. And we will win a certain number of games against the better teams. We will end up either 2nd or 3rd. The Bruins will either be 2nd or 3rd. The only real question left in season is will we have home ice advantage or not? I hope so. We need it to get past round 1. If we do then we will match up better against Tampa. We can outgun them in a fast game. My only real concern with them is Vasy. If Vasy plays like last night then we win easy. If Vasy plays like he did last game against us then we are out in 4. Vasy is still young and the big wildcard in that series.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

2018-19 Even Strength Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Matthews 3.88
2.Kucherov 3.73
3.Point 3.46
4.Gaudreau 3.38
5.Panarin 3.37

2018-19 Even Strength Primary Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Point 3.10
2.Matthews 3.07
3.Marner 3.06
4.Gaudreau 2.90
5.Petterson 2.87

2017-18 Even Strength Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.McDavid 3.30
2.Marchand 3.09
3.MacKinnon 3.07
4.Matthews 3.03
5.Barzal 2.95

2017-18 Even Strength Primary Points Per 60 (Minimum 200 minutes played)

1.Matthews 2.71
2.MacKinnon 2.48
3.McDavid 2.43
4.Malkin 2.41
5.Malkin 2.26

Just saying those are highly skewed stats because of his first 16 game. Then, much like last season, he got sidelined and doesn't seem like the same player. I worry he's hurt after the Stralman hit and just doesn't want to say it. Something is not right.

 

[Tavares to Marner]

you're allowed to value things without the NHL explicitly telling you to

Yeah participation awards are always nice, everyone's special

 

[zeke]

Just saying those are highly skewed stats because of his first 16 game. Then, much like last season, he got sidelined and doesn't seem like the same player. I worry he's hurt after the Stralman hit and just doesn't want to say it. Something is not right.

last 5gms: 3.89esp/60
last 10gms: 3.04esp/60
last 15gms: 3.37esp/60
last 20gms: 3.53esp/60
last 25gms: 3.30esp/60

 

[zeke]

Yeah participation awards are always nice, everyone's special

you keep the personal awards, I'll take the production.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Zeke has all the numbers man. He is a player. I know Matty would look better in ALL stats if he got same treatment McJesus got. 22+ minutes per game. All PP time. and lastly no injuries. then you would have comparable data. and put Marner with him like Drai in Edmonton. once Matty has his hands and legs set free from Babs restrictions and is on comparable terms then we will see who is better.

 

[Loosie]

Zeke has all the numbers man. He is a player. I know Matty would look better in ALL stats if he got same treatment McJesus got. 22+ minutes per game. All PP time. and lastly no injuries. then you would have comparable data. and put Marner with him like Drai in Edmonton. once Matty has his hands and legs set free from Babs restrictions and is on comparable terms then we will see who is better.

McDavid plays 22+ minutes because they have no one else. There is no need for Matthews to play 22+ minutes for us.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

McDavid plays 22+ minutes because they have no one else. There is no need for Matthews to play 22+ minutes for us.

yes but that's exactly why you can't judge him below McDavid on the pay grade. sure he can take less ice and less PP etc but then you can't use that against him in contract negotiations. but Leafs have not taken that approach so it does not matter. after he is signed and gets the big money he will be played more.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

last 5gms: 3.89esp/60
last 10gms: 3.04esp/60
last 15gms: 3.37esp/60
last 20gms: 3.53esp/60
last 25gms: 3.30esp/60

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

You won’t get a clear answer. Instead, he’ll scour the internet and very carefully grasp at some stats that can be used to show his narrative.

I’m pretty sure McDavid got the contract he did based on his 100 point season and his Hart trophy. Not a career high of 69 points and stat mined nonsense.

 

[Nithoniniel]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

The way I see it is that he's not as all-round strong as he was at the start of the season. He carried his lines at that point, did the heavy lifting in almost all areas and to great effect. Since the injury, he's more tentative in the board battles, so he's focused more on playmaking, supporting, and carrying the puck while letting his linemates work the puck free. So while the results are still just as great, he looks like he needs a worker bee in a way that he didn't in the early stages of the season.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

He has dropped off no doubt. The eye test would agree. He needs to engage more to be a beast of a player. But when he does he gets hurt. I wonder if he is holding back while finalizing his contract now. Maybe he is playing to not get hurt right now. either that or he is playing hurt right now.

 

[zeke]

You won’t get a clear answer. Instead, he’ll scour the internet and very carefully grasp at some stats that can be used to show his narrative.

I’m pretty sure McDavid got the contract he did based on his 100 point season and his Hart trophy. Not a career high of 69 points and stat mined nonsense.

I love when people say "100pt season" and then make fun of stats.

 

[zeke]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

Last game is a great example, really. All sorts of chances. All over the puck every shift. But when the puck doesn't go in, people get upset.

 

[Martin Skoula]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

I don't see the issue if Matthews being "off" is still one of the most productive players in the league. I don't mind admitting that we've probably got a Malkin situation on our hands, on average he's going to be an elite top-10 player, and when he's healthy and on his game he can challenge for top-3 for bursts of 20+ games. Sometimes those 20 games happen in October and don't help us too much, sometimes those 20 games happen in May and he wins a Conn Smythe.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Can you imagine.... imagine... if Matthews scored 100 points this year and won the Hart trophy, and then fans of another team were saying their player with a career high 69 points deserves a similar contract.

Can you imagine... just imagine... how leaf fans would react to such an argument.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The way I see it is that he's not as all-round strong as he was at the start of the season. He carried his lines at that point, did the heavy lifting in almost all areas and to great effect. Since the injury, he's more tentative in the board battles, so he's focused more on playmaking, supporting, and carrying the puck while letting his linemates work the puck free. So while the results are still just as great, he looks like he needs a worker bee in a way that he didn't in the early stages of the season.

This sounds eerily like last season. Playing like a generational star, gets injured, comes back and isn't quite at the level he was at before. I just hope the story doesn't the same way it did last season.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Can you imagine.... imagine... if Matthews scored 100 points this year and won the Hart trophy, and then fans of another team were saying their player with a career high 69 points deserves a similar contract.

Can you imagine... just imagine... how leaf fans would react to such an argument.

 

[Nooodles]

The new contract is weighing on Auston's mind so much that his play is being affected.

He feels he must avoid injuries at all cost. He's not crashing and banging as a result and just playing stick to stick.

I really think this could be the case ever since the Kronwall hit. When he came back after the injury he really looked like the way he started the season, than that Kronwall hit happened and I think he got scared. He realized if something serious happen to him again this year, that could seriously sabotage his big contract, and it's true. It will.

He is playing differently. Doesn't drive the net, not entering the zone at the same speed and doesn't really engage in puck battles. He's so special he is still effective and can put up points, he just looks different and not that real monster we got used to.

This is what we are trying to say. Not that he is bad, it's just he is different. Of course zeke will just throw the stats at us, yet at the same time he is missing the point.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I love when people say "100pt season" and then make fun of stats.

Yeah, I had sure had to stat mine REAL deep to find the “abscure” stat of points in a season.

 

[zeke]

This Year + Last Year

Even Strength average of Points per 60 and Primary Point per 60

(minimum 500 minutes)

1.Matthews 3.07 (6.24pp)
2.McDavid 2.82 (5.26pp)
3.Kucherov 2.82 (7.30pp)
4.MacKinnon 2.61 (6.46pp)
5.Gaudreau 2.61 (4.66pp)
6.Point 2.54 (4.45pp)
7.Giroux 2.49 (4.72pp)
8.Panarin 2.43 (4.13pp)
9.Malkin 2.39 (5.92pp)
10.Marchand 2.39 (6.31pp)

 

[MapleLeafs77]

This Year + Last Year

Even Strength average of Points per 60 and Primary Point per 60

(minimum 500 minutes)

1.Matthews 3.07 (6.24pp)
2.McDavid 2.82 (5.26pp)
3.Kucherov 2.82 (7.30pp)
4.MacKinnon 2.61 (6.46pp)
5.Gaudreau 2.61 (4.66pp)
6.Point 2.54 (4.45pp)
7.Giroux 2.49 (4.72pp)
8.Panarin 2.43 (4.13pp)
9.Malkin 2.39 (5.92pp)
10.Marchand 2.39 (6.31pp)

STOP with these facts! We only care about last game! He is garbage!