The Mighty Auston Matthews

[JT AM da real deal]

I think most of us know in our hearts that when Matty decides he wants to be the best guy on ice he can turn it up and play like a beast. He has shown it but he has ice time issues, injury issues, linemate issues, contract issues and PP issues. Like I said when all is made equal we will see where everything stacks up. I still think he will be the world #1 in a year.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Last game is a great example, really. All sorts of chances. All over the puck every shift. But when the puck doesn't go in, people get upset.

His shot is a big part of his game. It absolutely, 100% looked weak and floppy last game IMO.

 

[Babcocks Marner]

This Year + Last Year

Even Strength average of Points per 60 and Primary Point per 60

(minimum 500 minutes)

1.Matthews 3.07 (6.24pp)
2.McDavid 2.82 (5.26pp)
3.Kucherov 2.82 (7.30pp)
4.MacKinnon 2.61 (6.46pp)
5.Gaudreau 2.61 (4.66pp)
6.Point 2.54 (4.45pp)
7.Giroux 2.49 (4.72pp)
8.Panarin 2.43 (4.13pp)
9.Malkin 2.39 (5.92pp)
10.Marchand 2.39 (6.31pp)

All people really care about:

1.Matthews 103 Points
2.McDavid 175 Points
3.Kucherov 175 Points
4.MacKinnon 163 Points
5.Gaudreau 153 Points
6.Point 127 Points
7.Giroux 132 Points
8.Panarin 150 Points
9.Malkin 148 Points
10.Marchand 132 Points

This is why some people don't like advanced stats sometimes.
Although the numbers are correct, in actual production he would be dead last on that list.

Would you rather a guy with a higher p/60 or a guy who actually produced 72 more points in the same time frame?

Matthews can be one of the best in the NHL, not many would debate.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

All people really care about:

1.Matthews 103 Points
2.McDavid 175 Points
3.Kucherov 175 Points
4.MacKinnon 163 Points
5.Gaudreau 153 Points
6.Point 127 Points
7.Giroux 132 Points
8.Panarin 150 Points
9.Malkin 148 Points
10.Marchand 132 Points

This is why some people don't like advanced stats sometimes.
Although the numbers are correct, in actual production he would be dead last on that list.

Would you rather a guy with a higher p/60 or a guy who actually produced 72 more points in the same time frame?

Matthews can be one of the best in the NHL, not many would debate.

Players are paid for the stats you just showed. And for things like winning Hart trophies.

Not the other nonsense people are posting.

Matthews being hurt all of the time doesn’t magically make him worth more money because it skews his numbers. Quite the opposite. If you get hurt all of the time, you get payed less money.

 

[zeke]

Would you rather a guy with a higher p/60 or a guy who actually produced 72 more points in the same time frame?.

the former, as long as he's not doing that as a sheltered player.



can't blame the player for coaching decisions, or for injuries.

 

[frizzer1]

So to be clear, do you think he's the same player in the last 10 games as he was in the first 15? Do you think he was the same player in the last 40 games last year as he was in the first 20?

You can throw all the stats you want at me, it just isn't true and I think you know it deep down.

Those stats are so misleading.....he is an outstanding player who can still pick up points even when not completely healthy......but if you actually watch the guy play and not just stare at a stat sheet you should see that he is not the same guy as he was before he got hurt.
People forget just how great matthews is when healthy......he dominates at both ends.

 

[Gary Nylund]

the former, as long as he's not doing that as a sheltered player.

can't blame the player for coaching decisions, or for injuries.

If Tavares takes on the Bergeron line, does that qualify as Matthews being sheltered?

 

[frizzer1]

I think most of us know in our hearts that when Matty decides he wants to be the best guy on ice he can turn it up and play like a beast. He has shown it but he has ice time issues, injury issues, linemate issues, contract issues and PP issues. Like I said when all is made equal we will see where everything stacks up. I still think he will be the world #1 in a year.

Let's hope so......but I'm concerned that he may have a career like Wendel Clark......who had back issues almost his whole career, missed a ton of games, and , as good as he was, never became the superstar he could have been.

 

[Babcocks Marner]

the former, as long as he's not doing that as a sheltered player.



can't blame the player for coaching decisions, or for injuries.

Interesting. So Tuch over Rantanen and McDavid? Tuch is 11th in the NHL is p/60, and isn't sheltered.

You're right, you can't blame the player for injury. You also can't reward them for being injured.

 

[Polaris1010]

It is the NBA. Although I am not really a basketball fan, I have heard of the fast break, and the half court offense.

Matthews is not a fast break kind of guy.

Matthews plays the half court offense. He can rush the puck, but he is most effective in front of the net, finding pucks in the dirty areas to score.

Matthews needs a grinder to can get pucks to the net, and who can stand in front of the net so Matthews skate around that and shoot.

That's why some on this forum kept saying give Levio a chance, but they never did and got rid of him.

Now we have the best talent we have seen in a center on the Leafs in generations playing basically with a couple of rookies.

Something is wrong with this picture.

Something stinks.

 

[saffronleaf]

Marner might end up with more goals than Matthews. Idk what's the deal with Matthews but he's not elite yet. He's 3rd or 4th on the team right now.

 

[saffronleaf]

This Year + Last Year

Even Strength average of Points per 60 and Primary Point per 60

(minimum 500 minutes)

1.Matthews 3.07 (6.24pp)
2.McDavid 2.82 (5.26pp)
3.Kucherov 2.82 (7.30pp)
4.MacKinnon 2.61 (6.46pp)
5.Gaudreau 2.61 (4.66pp)
6.Point 2.54 (4.45pp)
7.Giroux 2.49 (4.72pp)
8.Panarin 2.43 (4.13pp)
9.Malkin 2.39 (5.92pp)
10.Marchand 2.39 (6.31pp)

If you add that many qualifications, any player will be the best at something.

 

[Stephen]

I think most of us know in our hearts that when Matty decides he wants to be the best guy on ice he can turn it up and play like a beast. He has shown it but he has ice time issues, injury issues, linemate issues, contract issues and PP issues. Like I said when all is made equal we will see where everything stacks up. I still think he will be the world #1 in a year.

I find Matthews runs into problems when he tries to force the issue of being the difference maker instead of working hard each and every shift with the right attention to detail. You see him wanting to blow the zone or overhandle the puck in the neutral zone, doing those flyby stick checks, and you know he's trying to cut corners to get to the part where he scores 2 G and 1 A to win the game.

 

[wingman75]

Legit question, did he even skate inside the faceoff dots tonight with the puck? If he did it wasn't often... wonder why he is refusing to skate into the dangerous areas with the puck?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Players are paid for the stats you just showed. And for things like winning Hart trophies.

Not the other nonsense people are posting.

Matthews being hurt all of the time doesn’t magically make him worth more money because it skews his numbers. Quite the opposite. If you get hurt all of the time, you get payed less money.

I agree. Some of this advanced stats, people are going overboard with them.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Legit question, did he even skate inside the faceoff dots tonight with the puck? If he did it wasn't often... wonder why he is refusing to skate into the dangerous areas with the puck?

Matthews pre-emptively holding out for a good contract???
Lol.

 

[wingman75]

Matthews pre-emptively holding out for a good contract???
Lol.

Ha ha... maybe? Mitchy is certainly not ;-)

 

[JamieG19]

Those stats are so misleading.....he is an outstanding player who can still pick up points even when not completely healthy......but if you actually watch the guy play and not just stare at a stat sheet you should see that he is not the same guy as he was before he got hurt.
People forget just how great matthews is when healthy......he dominates at both ends.

I don’t think he has any injury. I do think the number one thing on his mind is not to get injured again.

The fact is there’s a huge difference (maybe 4 million per year) depending upon how this year finishes. If he continues putting up points and stays healthy he can write in his own number.

If he gets hurt again, misses another 20-30 games it will hurt his contract negotiations.

I think it’s fair to say he’s playing not to get injured. I understand it.

 

[Leaf4Life]

Typo in thread title... Should be:

The Mighty Mitch Marner

 

[Ports]

I see signs of people turning on Matthews both here, on twitter, and elsewhere. It just might be the saddest thing I've seen as a Leafs fan.

He's not playing as well as he could. We all see that. But the big picture is still that this is a 20-year old on pace for 110 points while far from a one-dimensional scorer. Nitpicking on his game to the degree that you forget that is just sad.

It’s the lack of effort that is concerning.

 

[Ports]

I really find it funny how some of you are on Matthews. ESP., since none of you said the same thing when Matthews had his slumps(like 15 games without a goal or something like that during his rookie year).
There is no doubt that he is not playing as well as he is capable of. Same can be said about Kadri, Willie and even Marleau and Brown.
What bothers me the most is the fact that TO medias(esp Sportsnet) are starting to get on the Matthews is not that good wagon, (Maclean even said Matthews only brings it some nights) and Leafsnation is starting to believe that crap. It was the same crap that they did when Sundin was here.... All I know is that 30 other teams would literally trade their farm for someone like Matthews, if that’s not an indication that Matthews is a great player, I don’t know what is.

Right now I’ll take the farm. Matthews is a no show a lot lately and was in last year’s playoffs too. Very concerning.

 

[Ports]

people realize that Matthews leads the whole league in ES points per minute, right?

Are you actually watching his play out there? Very little effort and hasn’t been effective for weeks now.

 

[Ports]

I don’t think he has any injury. I do think the number one thing on his mind is not to get injured again.

The fact is there’s a huge difference (maybe 4 million per year) depending upon how this year finishes. If he continues putting up points and stays healthy he can write in his own number.

If he gets hurt again, misses another 20-30 games it will hurt his contract negotiations.

I think it’s fair to say he’s playing not to get injured. I understand it.

And if he disappears in the playoffs again ...

 

[PromisedLand]

Right now I’ll take the farm. Matthews is a no show a lot lately and was in last year’s playoffs too. Very concerning.

Matthews+Nylander+1st

for

McDavid+RNH

 

[Tavares to Marner]

you keep the personal awards, I'll take the production.

Your taking production and skewing it to make it seem like more production than it is

Youd make a good salesman