The Management Thread - Time is a Flat Circle

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

"He (Benning) serves as an advisor to General Manager Peter Chiarelli on all matters pertaining to player evaluation, trades and free agent signings, in addition to assisting the General Manager in overseeing all individuals in their specific duties for the Bruins."..Boston Bruins.

.......but let's look a scouting record of an AGM in Boston, but disregard the scouting record of the Director Of Scouting in Buffalo...?

Obviously, it would be naive to think that Benning had no input in scouting for Boston, based on his previous experience...He was Peter Chiarelli's right hand man, which takes on a lot of responsibilities in all facets of upper management...Saying that he's held responsible for their drafting is just another 'narrative'.

 

[Fatass]

ouch. We don't have the C depth to move AG tho. Sutter is broken and gone in a year anyway. Madden being moved makes AG's job pretty safe imo.

I think its going to be Jake + Loui to Ottawa. I've been shite on for suggesting that here before, but it makes a lot of sense. Jake and Brady on the top 6 would be great for them. Loui is money in the bank for Melnyk since he helps reach the cap floor, which I'm sure old Eugene would love to do with AAV vs real money for the next two years as the league digs its way out of covid losses.

Jake and Juiolevi will be the first sweetener. Hopelly one clears Loui and the other cleats Baer. Including Jakes cap that clears around 12 million. One million for the Jake replacement in the lineup, and that’s 11 to sign Tofoli and Marky.

 

[MS]

"He (Benning) serves as an advisor to General Manager Peter Chiarelli on all matters pertaining to player evaluation, trades and free agent signings, in addition to assisting the General Manager in overseeing all individuals in their specific duties for the Bruins."..Boston Bruins.

.......but let's look a scouting record of an AGM in Boston, but disregard the scouting record of the Director Of Scouting in Buffalo...?

Obviously, it would be naive to think that Benning had no input in scouting for Boston, based on his previous experience...He was Peter Chiarelli's right hand man, which takes on a lot of responsibilities in all facets of upper management...Saying that he's held responsible for their drafting is just another 'narrative'.

Dude, we literally had this argument 6 months ago where @Melvin absolutely buried you in the evidence that Benning was overseeing Boston's drafts and running the scouting arm of that organization. You can't honestly be pretending to have forgotten that discussion happened.

The notion that he would have been too busy as AGM in Boston to have put in his Magic Scouting System but that he had tons of time to do it in Vancouver while having far more responsibilities as GM is a notion bordering on the comical. It's difficult to take anything seriously when you're posting ridiculous stuff like this as 'evidence'.

 

[StreetHawk]

Jake and Juiolevi will be the first sweetener. Hopelly one clears Loui and the other cleats Baer. Including Jakes cap that clears around 12 million. One million for the Jake replacement in the lineup, and that’s 11 to sign Tofoli and Marky.

I think with a flat cap the time will finally come for JB to banish LE to the A and hope he balls. If he allows LE To keep his SB then i would expect the nhl to hit Vancouver with a $4.5 mill cap hit since he would have gotten 3/4 of his compensation for the season. If LE were to return to SB and walk the Canucks would not take any hit as he is a 6 year and under contract term. But the NHL isn’t going to let him keep a portion of his 20-21 compensation without the Canucks eating a cap hit for that year.

next season has so many questions about when the A will start up and under what conditions. Aside from the 4 Canadian teams east of Alberta every other nhl club has their A affiliate in the USA which is a gong show right now.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Dude, we literally had this argument 6 months ago where @Melvin absolutely buried you in the evidence that Benning was overseeing Boston's drafts and running the scouting arm of that organization. You can't honestly be pretending to have forgotten that discussion happened.

The notion that he would have been too busy as AGM in Boston to have put in his Magic Scouting System but that he had tons of time to do it in Vancouver while having far more responsibilities as GM is a notion bordering on the comical. It's difficult to take anything seriously when you're posting ridiculous stuff like this as 'evidence'.

Buried..okey dokey..Benning was spotted scouting a game..?..wasn’t it stuff like that?

 

[MS]

Buried..okey dokey..Benning was spotted scouting a game..?..wasn’t it stuff like that?

Multiple articles documenting that he was heading the scouting arm of the organization, that he was on the road heavily scouting amateur players, that he was setting up and leading interviews for potential draftees, and on and on.

If anything, he looks to have been MORE involved in Boston's drafting, not less. Which would probably explain why it was so bad, and immediately improved after he left.

 

[Hit the post]

Jake and Juiolevi will be the first sweetener. Hopelly one clears Loui and the other cleats Baer.

Even Benning wouldn't be so daft as to trade for those two & accept LE & Baer as part of that price. Or maybe not.

 

[m9]

I think with a flat cap the time will finally come for JB to banish LE to the A and hope he balls. If he allows LE To keep his SB then i would expect the nhl to hit Vancouver with a $4.5 mill cap hit since he would have gotten 3/4 of his compensation for the season. If LE were to return to SB and walk the Canucks would not take any hit as he is a 6 year and under contract term. But the NHL isn’t going to let him keep a portion of his 20-21 compensation without the Canucks eating a cap hit for that year.

next season has so many questions about when the A will start up and under what conditions. Aside from the 4 Canadian teams east of Alberta every other nhl club has their A affiliate in the USA which is a gong show right now.

Given Eriksson's comments as well as just common sense, it's fairly obvious he's going to keep collecting his money. We can probably stop with these dreamer scenarios.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Calgary has 79 points. We have 78.

I Lost a tooth when I was 4.
There. Now we both posted something nobody else cares about.

 

[Bob Long]

That's a stretch man, he was in a position where he answered only to GM Peter Chiarelli. He ran the scouting department.

He'd been working on the scouting side of things for the last 14 years prior, to insinuate that he wouldn't be able to institute changes because of the old boys club, well he was about as old boys club as you can get.

well, I'd say whatever he did there led to some good days for them since.

 

[Bob Long]

I Lost a tooth when I was 4.
There. Now we both posted something nobody else cares about.

did a Tkachuk steal your lunch money too?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Given Eriksson's comments as well as just common sense, it's fairly obvious he's going to keep collecting his money. We can probably stop with these dreamer scenarios.

send him to minors. May be enough to push him to Sweden. If not, let him rot there.

 

[Bob Long]

LOL, what on earth?

The previous scouts led by Jeff Gorton (who selected the Bergeron/Lucic/Krejci/Marchand core) were so 'entrenched' that Chiarelli and Benning fired them when they took over.

Chiarelli is not a scouting guy and has never worked as a scout - he has a marketing/business background. Benning came in and took over a scouting department with a clean slate to put in his people and his ideas, and would almost certainly have had total freedom to do that. And what he built was the worst-drafting team in the NHL.

OK, well whats your evidence that Benning didn't put in a similar system here and there?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

did a Tkachuk steal your lunch money too?

that’s how I lost my tooth. He knocked it out.

 

[Bob Long]

It’s getting down right pathetic the lengths people will go to defend Jim. Honestly just makes me sad.

nah, whats sad is people can't give credit where its due. All must be bad, or all must be good apparently.

 

[Bleach Clean]

nah, whats sad is people can't give credit where its due. All must be bad, or all must be good apparently.

Is that really a point worth arguing? I've seen this trope on Twitter, and a few radio personalities have used it. But we know for a fact that people could not have reasonably condemned Benning's tenure until they at least felt that there was enough information to do so. That means, evaluating each deal in isolation until you come to an overall conclusion.

People here supported the Baertschi deal. They gave him credit for Pearson, and now for Miller. There's just a heap tonne more bad. Just look at his overall transaction record.

Edit: Haven't finished my advanced stats dig into Beagle's play. Will finish soon.

 

[I am toxic]

So because Benning says it was unanimous, you take the as the truth. I wonder why he would have vested interest in that being the official story, if it wasn't.

Well of course it was unanimous - after Linden over-ruled Benning and ordered him to go with the scouts' pick of Petey.

Good ol' PoM, dying on this hill.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He ran the scouting department for the Bruins, doesn't it seem odd to you the GM would give him that control but then not let him institute his own scouting system?

Link or source please..

 

[Sneezy]

The facts are that every 'hit' we had 2015-2018 was from Judd Brackett's region aside from Pettersson who we know he fought very hard for.

If you're going to try and claim that Jim Benning developed some Super Magic Scouting System™ to 'fix' the team's scouting, you need to provide evidence of that. Instead, the actual facts and evidence indicate the more likely explanation is that Judd Brackett was just really good at scouting his region and absolutely raking it with his selections of players he was most familiar with.

The historic biggest issue with our drafting has been our CHL scouting. There is no evidence whatsoever to show that it's improved, and in fact it actually seems to have gotten worse.

What do you mean his region?

 

[rypper]

Link or source please..

Sure,

"
"They're both going to get expanded duties," said GM Peter Chiarelli. "Jim's area of expertise is player evaluation. He's going to oversee much of the operation from an assistant GM perspective. Donny's going to continue player development. He's been outstanding in that. Real outstanding. He'll be overseeing it more now and he'll be in the day-to-day operations."
The 44-year-old Benning served as the Buffalo Sabres' director of amateur scouting before Chiarelli hired him July 25, 2006. In 2006-07, Benning worked from his home in Sherwood, Ore., but will move to New England for the 2007-08 season. Benning's old position will not be filled."

Bruins promote Benning, Sweeney - The Boston Globe

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sure,



Bruins promote Benning, Sweeney - The Boston Globe

Player evaluation does not mean "he ran the scouting department'..Try again.

 

[rypper]

Player evaluation does not mean "he ran the scouting department'..Try again.

What does player evaluation mean to you?

Especially when the article says that the other AGM is handling player development?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

What does player evaluation mean to you?

Especially when the article says that the other AGM is handling player development?

Evaluating players..precisely what it says...Pro or amateur...

Where does it say he ran the scouting department..?

 

[rypper]

Evaluating players..precisely what it says...Pro or amateur...

Where does it say he ran the scouting department..?

"Jim's area of expertise is player evaluation. He's going to oversee much of the operation from an assistant GM perspective.

From the Athletties:

"Benning wasn’t involved in cap management or contract negotiations in Boston, he’s a scout..."

The Athletties: Vancouver vs. HNIC, rebuild reassessment and...

I realize now maybe you need it exactly spelt out but I would have thought you could have put it together with the information provided.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

"Jim's area of expertise is player evaluation. He's going to oversee much of the operation from an assistant GM perspective.

From the Athletties:

"Benning wasn’t involved in cap management or contract negotiations in Boston, he’s a scout..."

The Athletties: Vancouver vs. HNIC, rebuild reassessment and...

I realize now maybe you need it exactly spelt out but I would have thought you could have put it together with the information provided.

Again, where does it say he ran the scouting department?..

"Jim Benning, formerly director of player personnel, was named assistant general manager, replacing Jeff Gorton, who was fired last month. Don Sweeney, who oversaw the camp, was named director of hockey operations and player development.
"They're both going to get expanded duties," said GM Peter Chiarelli. "Jim's area of expertise is player evaluation. He's going to oversee much of the operation from an assistant GM perspective."..Boston Globe

Does not sound like he's going to run the scouting department.?.Not even the slightest mention of amateur scouting...In fact ,it looks more on the side of pro scouting..