Value of: The Great Shea Weber

[Wats]

I'd take a couple of 2nd rounders to get the contract off the books.

 

[BigFatCat999]

The Preds have a vested interest to get the recapture penalty threat off their minds. If Montreal decides to ask Alexa for Alexis, I would like to see Weber in Nashville.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I get that, and I'm sure Montreal has no issue taking on cap dumps, but this is basically Montreal trading their captain and a top-3 D-man for a (pretty good) 3rd line winger. That, plus the retention doesn't really make sense for Montreal.

I also think its a terrible idea from a Toronto perspective given their cap structure and the fact they have leadership, but that's another story.

I'm all ears for a counter just for the sake of discussion

 

[Captain Mountain]

I'm all ears for a counter just for the sake of discussion

I mean, I'd say something like:

Weber (no retention), one of Suzuki/Poehling, Mete and a 2nd.

for

Dermott, Nylander and Ceci.

Would make sense for Montreal, but I doubt Toronto would go for something like that.

The challenge is that Toronto just doesn't have a lot of long term cap flexibility for a trade for Weber to ever make sense without retention, and Montreal's better off keeping Weber with the expectation that he'll retire before his contract expires (or get traded to Nashville and report an ailment that puts him on LTIR) than move him and retain a sizable chunk of his cap hit.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I mean, I'd say something like:

Weber (no retention), one of Suzuki/Poehling, Mete and a 2nd.

for

Dermott, Nylander and Ceci.

Would make sense for Montreal, but I doubt Toronto would go for something like that.

The challenge is that Toronto just doesn't have a lot of long term cap flexibility for a trade for Weber to ever make sense without retention, and Montreal's better off keeping Weber with the expectation that he'll retire before his contract expires (or get traded to Nashville and report an ailment that puts him on LTIR) than move him and retain a sizable chunk of his cap hit.

Nylander is kind of a non-starter for a 34 year old defenseman. 30 year old Weber maybe but can't move Nylander for a piece that doesn't have any hope of being apart of our long term future.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Nylander is kind of a non-starter for a 34 year old defenseman. 30 year old Weber maybe but can't move Nylander for a piece that doesn't have any hope of being apart of our long term future.

Well, Toronto straight up can't take on a player with Weber's AAV without either moving big money the other way or the other team retaining and Montreal wouldn't retain on Weber unless it was really worth their while.

Its basically a non-starter.

 

[llamateizer]

Ellis, Turris and 1st for Weber and Tatar?

I don't know the numbers, but I'm in for the that trade.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Would also make sense to re-ship him to Nashville so they can deal with his buy-back when he wants to retire.

Is Ellis or Ekholm available ?

 

[Perratrooper]

I think it's time for Montreal to part ways with Captain Shea Weber. Uncle Petry has become our top defenseman (he keeps getting better with age - I wonder how good he'll be at 50). Of course it would be sad to let Daddy Weber go but there are a lot of problems in Montreal, and I think it's time they go for a perfect 1-to-2 year retool/rebuild.

That said, we are looking for pretty much anything and everything, except goaltending.

And for the millionth time, if Weber were to retire, your team is not ****ed...only Nashville's is.

I don't mind getting a great prospect / young player along with a cap dump to even the cap situation.

If Montreal retains cap do they get hit with any of the penalty that Nashville gets or it's just the Preds who are on the hook for all of it?

If Montreal retains I could see quite a few teams being interested.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If Montreal retains cap do they get hit with any of the penalty that Nashville gets or it's just the Preds who are on the hook for all of it?

If Montreal retains I could see quite a few teams being interested.

They don't get hit with Cap recapture. My qustion is from the Habs perspective is more what happens to retained salary if Nashville reacquires Weber and LTIRetires him.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

J. Benn for S. Weber
OR, even crazier...
J. Benn + J. Klingberg for S. Weber + J. Drouin + 5th 2020

Id do the 1v1

 

[Viqsi]

Would also make sense to re-ship him to Nashville so they can deal with his buy-back when he wants to retire.

It might. But...

Is Ellis or Ekholm available ?

...no. Just no.

 

[Soundgarden]

Would also make sense to re-ship him to Nashville so they can deal with his buy-back when he wants to retire.

Is Ellis or Ekholm available ?

No.

 

[Perratrooper]

They don't get hit with Cap recapture. My qustion is from the Habs perspective is more what happens to retained salary if Nashville reacquires Weber and LTIRetires him.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[Mustard]

No one is worried about Weber retiring...

We're worried that he won't retire and we'd be stuck with his 8 million dollar caphit for the next 30 years.

Nashville is very worried about him retiring early....

 

[FameFlame069]

Weber for Lucic(1m retained) + Kylington/Dube + 2nd/3rd

 

[HuGo Sham]

it's a delicate situation with Weber. He's logged so much mileage, but it's hard to gage his value right now, because he's not playing with a legitimate 2, like an ageing Chara has - someone who can move the puck and insulate him so he can focus on his strengths. Bergevin won't admit a loss in this trade, even if Subban was already traded (again). For Bergevin, weber has brought a new culture to the team. If he gets dealt , it's because he wants to end his career playing for a legit contender. Regardless I believe a couple of things need to play out for it to happen. i'll use leafs as an example, a team, imho, which would become an instant contender with him because of what he brings and because babcock loves him.

1) a team is going to have to have injury to an important dman - say muzzin or barrie goes down - which raises stakes for a contender that needs to win now - regardless
2) habs will have to eat salary of course- whatever it is, they'll need to do it..and they can

the return? not sure. ..a 1st, maybe a young dman and another piece to relieve salary

 

[HuGo Sham]

Weber for Lucic(1m retained) + Kylington/Dube + 2nd/3rd

no way, no how habs touch lucic and they wouldn't have to in a weber auction

 

[HuGo Sham]

Not good enough to play on the Oilers. Apparently.

Sigh.

he's become an unbelievable well rounded dman under luke Richardson. he's untouchable on habs - way more valuable than weber

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Nashville is very worried about him retiring early....

Nashville fans are worried. Poile hasn't seemed too concerned.

 

[abo9]

Better off holding onto him unless you want a meh return. IMO, he isn't a top D but still has pedigree and is a good leader. He is a good guy to have in the room during a rebuild.

but but.... Montreal is a contender they're not in a rebuild

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Nylander is kind of a non-starter for a 34 year old defenseman. 30 year old Weber maybe but can't move Nylander for a piece that doesn't have any hope of being apart of our long term future.

Too bad for that stupid cap. You could part with Dermott (even though I'd like to keep him) if you knew you could move forward with Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Weber, Sandin, Liljegren.

 

[FameFlame069]

no way, no how habs touch lucic and they wouldn't have to in a weber auction

You'll have to take some cap lol he'll have at least 1.5 retained between EDM and Cgy. It's either him or Ryan(with retention on Weber) I'd probably be more keen on Kylington going out, would add two seconds that could turn into firsts? But that's the only other way Calgary could

 

[Captain Mountain]

Weber for Lucic(1m retained) + Kylington/Dube + 2nd/3rd

Ya, I don't think Montreal would do that even if Lucic wasn't part of it.

You'll have to take some cap lol he'll have at least 1.5 retained between EDM and Cgy. It's either him or Ryan(with retention on Weber) I'd probably be more keen on Kylington going out, would add two seconds that could turn into firsts? But that's the only other way Calgary could

Montreal can definitely take salary the other way, but that's just a non-starter. No real reason for Montreal to consider it unless Weber asked out, and even then its hard to justify.

 

[Eye Test]

Lucic?