Value of: The Great Shea Weber

[A Loyal Dog]

I think it's time for Montreal to part ways with Captain Shea Weber. Uncle Petry has become our top defenseman (he keeps getting better with age - I wonder how good he'll be at 50). Of course it would be sad to let Daddy Weber go but there are a lot of problems in Montreal, and I think it's time they go for a perfect 1-to-2 year retool/rebuild.

That said, we are looking for pretty much anything and everything, except goaltending.

And for the millionth time, if Weber were to retire, your team is not f***ed...only Nashville's is.

I don't mind getting a great prospect / young player along with a cap dump to even the cap situation.

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[Captain Mountain]

Petry's been Montreal's best D-men (and a good number 1) since 2017.

And lets be realistic. Bergevin isn't trading Weber. He loves the trade that brought him in and values his leadership a ton. He wont be shopping him or moving him for a realistic offer.

 

[Madap]

No one is worried about Weber retiring...

We're worried that he won't retire and we'd be stuck with his 8 million dollar caphit for the next 30 years.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Weber isnt going anywhere. You are stuck with that contract until the day it ends. He wont retire until the habs win a cup so he isnt retiring on this contract.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Weber isnt going anywhere. You are stuck with that contract until the day it ends. He wont retire until the habs win a cup so he isnt retiring on this contract.

Right, just like Luongo.

wait...

 

[Frank Drebin]

7.86 cap hit till the end of 2025-26 (7 seasons, including this one)

Actual salary per year: (Age to start season in brackets)

19-20 - 6.0 (34)
20-21 - 6.0 (35)
21-22 - 6.0 (36)
22-23 - 3.0 (37)
23-24 - 1.0 (38)
24-25 - 1.0 (39)
25-26 - 1.0 (40)

As much as HF wants to believe it, Weber will not play out his final 3 years of his contract at 1.0 per year after making 120 million over the course of his career.

So you're looking at a below average 1st pairing guy, or good second pairing guy for the next 4 seasons at a 7.86 cap hit.

 

[Hunter368]

No one is worried about Weber retiring...

We're worried that he won't retire and we'd be stuck with his 8 million dollar caphit for the next 30 years.

That would be my biggest worry. Plus Habs fans wouldn’t like what I would be willing to offer for an aging D who’s not getting any faster and big cap hit. Better for the Habs to keep him until the tires come off and let him ride into the sunset.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Better off holding onto him unless you want a meh return. IMO, he isn't a top D but still has pedigree and is a good leader. He is a good guy to have in the room during a rebuild.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Kyle Turris for Shea Weber!

 

[Captain Mountain]

7.86 cap hit till the end of 2025-26 (7 seasons, including this one)

Actual salary per year: (Age to start season in brackets)

19-20 - 6.0 (34)
20-21 - 6.0 (35)
21-22 - 6.0 (36)
22-23 - 3.0 (37)
23-24 - 1.0 (38)
24-25 - 1.0 (39)
25-26 - 1.0 (40)

As much as HF wants to believe it, Weber will not play out his final 3 years of his contract at 1.0 per year after making 120 million over the course of his career.

So you're looking at a below average 1st pairing guy, or good second pairing guy for the next 4 seasons at a 7.86 cap hit.

He might, if he's got a chance to compete for a cup and is playing at a high enough level to justify playing him significant minutes.

But Montreal's got a recent track record of cutting veterans that can't keep up, regardless of leadership reputation (Plekanec, Alzner). If it comes to it, I'm pretty skeptical that Weber would want to be playing in Laval in his late 30s for one million a season. He could probably make up a lot of that in a front office gig as soon as he retires.

 

[JesusNPucks]

J. Benn for S. Weber
OR, even crazier...
J. Benn + J. Klingberg for S. Weber + J. Drouin + 5th 2020

 

[Goon42]

J. Benn for S. Weber
OR, even crazier...
J. Benn + J. Klingberg for S. Weber + J. Drouin + 5th 2020

Are you sure you are a stars fan?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Weber 25% retained for Ceci and Kapanen

Hopefully Weber turns it around....haven't visually liked what I have seen from him with the Habs so far but the intangibles etc what he'd bring to the Leafs are pretty much exactly what we need.

 

[De Montreal]

Weber 25% retained for Ceci and Kapanen

Hopefully Weber turns it around....haven't visually liked what I have seen from him with the Habs so far but the intangibles etc what he'd bring to the Leafs are pretty much exactly what we need.

Weber would thrive in Toronto on a 2nd pairing. That would be like giving our worst enemy the key for a ride to the SCF. Not worth it for mere Kapanen.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Weber would thrive in Toronto on a 2nd pairing. That would be like giving our worst enemy the key for a ride to the SCF. Not worth it for mere Kapanen.

Realistically, anything that would make Montreal fans be like "oh yea, deal" at this point for Weber is probably an overpayment.

I've loved Weber since his Predator days to give you an idea on my affinity for him.

 

[TFHockey]

Petry's been Montreal's best D-men (and a good number 1) since 2017.

And lets be realistic. Bergevin isn't trading Weber. He loves the trade that brought him in and values his leadership a ton. He wont be shopping him or moving him for a realistic offer.

Not good enough to play on the Oilers. Apparently.

Sigh.

 

[CapSpace]

J. Benn for S. Weber
OR, even crazier...
J. Benn + J. Klingberg for S. Weber + J. Drouin + 5th 2020

J. Benn for S. Weber
OR, even crazier...
J. Benn + J. Klingberg for S. Weber + J. Drouin + 5th 2020

Wait... What? Can we sign for this somewhere??

 

[Captain Mountain]

Weber 25% retained for Ceci and Kapanen

Hopefully Weber turns it around....haven't visually liked what I have seen from him with the Habs so far but the intangibles etc what he'd bring to the Leafs are pretty much exactly what we need.

Montreal's better off keeping Weber than retaining anything in a trade barring an overpayment.

Kapanen is good and Montreal could use a right shot, but Ceci is terrible. Hard to see why Montreal would even consider that even if Bergevin was inclined to move Weber AND there was no retention.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Wait... What? Can we sign for this somewhere??

What, neither of those makes sense for Montreal.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Petry's been Montreal's best D-men (and a good number 1) since 2017.

And lets be realistic. Bergevin isn't trading Weber. He loves the trade that brought him in and values his leadership a ton. He wont be shopping him or moving him for a realistic offer.

Petry seem to have taken the leader role this year, I'm more than okay to have Petry take over. Why not trade Weber for a LD ? makes the most sense.


What team want to win NOW or in 2 years MAX ? I can see Pittsburgh going for Weber if they had the cap and I'm interested in Riikola


Weber for Riikola +
could also retain

 

[Captain Mountain]

Petry seem to have taken the leader role this year, I'm more than okay to have Petry take over. Why not trade Weber for a LD ? makes the most sense.


What team want to win NOW or in 2 years MAX ? I can see Pittsburgh going for Weber if they had the cap.

Because Bergevin loves Weber.

That doesn't mean Montreal shouldn't consider moving Weber (although I'm skeptical you'd ever get an equitable deal that makes sense to Montreal), it means they're unlikely to move him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Montreal's better off keeping Weber than retaining anything in a trade barring an overpayment.

Kapanen is good and Montreal could use a right shot, but Ceci is terrible. Hard to see why Montreal would even consider that even if Bergevin was inclined to move Weber AND there was no retention.

Ceci is a throw in for cap purposes. Could probably trade him at some point between now and TDL for 3rd-4th rounder.

Could also maybe work in a conditional draft pick in the trade.

If the Leafs win a round, Habs get a 4th and keep moving up a round...might need to move the pick a year in advance if things went super well with that though.

I'd basically just look for some good leadership and a calming presence with Weber at this point. I know he isn't that Norris guy anymore but he's a good guy to have in that locker room. Key thing is separating the player and the person when trying to offer up value for him in a trade.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Because Bergevin loves Weber.

That doesn't mean Montreal shouldn't consider moving Weber (although I'm skeptical you'd ever get an equitable deal that makes sense to Montreal), it means they're unlikely to move him.

his hit is a problem, but a trade à la subban could still work for 1 good asset, like Riikola

 

[Captain Mountain]

Ceci is a throw in for cap purposes. Could probably trade him at some point between now and TDL for 3rd-4th rounder.

Could also maybe work in a conditional draft pick in the trade.

If the Leafs win a round, Habs get a 4th and keep moving up a round...might need to move the pick a year in advance if things went super well with that though.

I'd basically just look for some good leadership and a calming presence with Weber at this point. I know he isn't that Norris guy anymore but he's a good guy to have in that locker room. Key thing is separating the player and the person when trying to offer up value for him in a trade.

I get that, and I'm sure Montreal has no issue taking on cap dumps, but this is basically Montreal trading their captain and a top-3 D-man for a (pretty good) 3rd line winger. That, plus the retention doesn't really make sense for Montreal.

I also think its a terrible idea from a Toronto perspective given their cap structure and the fact they have leadership, but that's another story.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

Ellis, Turris and 1st for Weber and Tatar?