The Flyers Should Trade Wayne Simmonds

[deadhead]

And a 0.83 P/GP 3rd pairing defensemen.

And no one who has had a good playoff performance the last five years.
Living in the past.
Got to build for the future.

Couts and Provorov outplayed Giroux, Voracek and Ghost by a wide margin.
Maybe there is something to needing more physical players in the playoffs?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

False.

The irrational hatred of skill and all Flyers stars is amazing.

At some point you have to realize that you just don't like hockey and should move on to boxing or UFC or something like that.

This is such a good point. Or maybe there is a lower level league somewhere that still plays goon hockey. 80s and 90s hockey isn't coming back to the NHL. Either learn to enjoy the new style or move onto a different sport.

 

[hatcher]

This is such a good point. Or maybe there is a lower level league somewhere that still plays goon hockey. 80s and 90s hockey isn't coming back to the NHL. Either learn to enjoy the new style or move onto a different sport.

Wht cant we be the sharks,preds,jets,caps,pens even finish checks,kings,ducks,blues,wild,boston, there is more teams that play a hard game but our stars next to ghost are boring and we dont play a hard game so what is this shit we call the flyers?

 

[deadhead]

Did you watch the playoffs?
They were far more physical than the regular season, not goon physical, but tight checking, take the body, press the puck, fight along the boards physical.

People confuse goon hockey with physical, Couts is physical, but he never fights. Giroux, Ghost, and Voracek aren't physical, Voracek will use his body to control the puck, but little TK plays a far more physical forecheck. Ghost and Giroux just lack size and can struggle when a fast, physical team presses them, as we saw in the playoffs.

Flyers are becoming more physical, Ron has drafted a lot of big bodies: Patrick, NAK, Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Strome, Myers, Ginning, St Ivany.
Guys like Farabee, O'Brien, Cates, Sushko aren't going to be as big as the others, but they've shown a willingness to mix it up.
In fact, it's hard to point to any high skilled figure skaters drafted by Hextall.

 

[hatcher]

Did you watch the playoffs?
They were far more physical than the regular season, not goon physical, but tight checking, take the body, press the puck, fight along the boards physical.

People confuse goon hockey with physical, Couts is physical, but he never fights. Giroux, Ghost, and Voracek aren't physical, Voracek will use his body to control the puck, but little TK plays a far more physical forecheck. Ghost and Giroux just lack size and can struggle when a fast, physical team presses them, as we saw in the playoffs.

Flyers are becoming more physical, Ron has drafted a lot of big bodies: Patrick, NAK, Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Strome, Myers, Ginning, St Ivany.
Guys like Farabee, O'Brien, Cates, Sushko aren't going to be as big as the others, but they've shown a willingness to mix it up.
In fact, it's hard to point to any high skilled figure skaters drafted by Hextall.

Actually it was really haed hitting every round except our and some of the guys that arent so great brought it more in the playoffs for the flyers while the stars died again in back checking hard hitting play off hockey. Pens and caps was awesome rugged hockey. Good thing pens didnt play us the way they played the caps or the team would have dried up in 4.

 

[hatcher]

Did you watch the playoffs?
They were far more physical than the regular season, not goon physical, but tight checking, take the body, press the puck, fight along the boards physical.

People confuse goon hockey with physical, Couts is physical, but he never fights. Giroux, Ghost, and Voracek aren't physical, Voracek will use his body to control the puck, but little TK plays a far more physical forecheck. Ghost and Giroux just lack size and can struggle when a fast, physical team presses them, as we saw in the playoffs.

Flyers are becoming more physical, Ron has drafted a lot of big bodies: Patrick, NAK, Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Strome, Myers, Ginning, St Ivany.
Guys like Farabee, O'Brien, Cates, Sushko aren't going to be as big as the others, but they've shown a willingness to mix it up.
In fact, it's hard to point to any high skilled figure skaters drafted by Hextall.

It's getting better.

 

[Striiker]

As expected, intentionally dishonest descriptions of what happened.

Typical though. Irrational hatred of our stars and exaggerating every single time they don't carry the team on their backs. Completely ignoring everything else and acting like that's the norm.

 

[Striiker]

I'll never understand why there's always a rabid part of every fanbase that can't appreciate their teams best players.

Maybe it's just laziness where they assume that, if the team loses, it must be the stars fault and they need somewhere to direct their anger. And then that's compounded by adding silly fabricated flaws on top of it, to defend their outbursts. I'm not sure if deep down they know they're wrong, but are too committed/stubborn to admit it, or if they honestly believe the nonsense.

Why can't we just use common sense and blame the people who deserve blame? Why not look at context and see who actually played bad and why they played bad. Why is that so much to ask for?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'll never understand why there's always a rabid part of every fanbase that can't appreciate their teams best players.

Maybe it's just laziness where they assume that, if the team loses, it must be the stars fault and they need somewhere to direct their anger. And then that's compounded by adding silly fabricated flaws on top of it, to defend their outbursts. I'm not sure if deep down they know they're wrong, but are too committed/stubborn to admit it, or if they honestly believe the nonsense.

Why can't we just use common sense and blame the people who deserve blame? Why not look at context and see who actually played bad and why they played bad. Why is that so much to ask for?

It’s not unfair to observe that your highest paid players need to excel in the playoffs for your team to have playoff success, & Giroux & Voracek haven’t been good the last two times the Flyers made the postseason.

It’s not hate. They helped get them there. But they didn’t excel in the playoffs, & usually your best players need to if you’re going to win.

 

[Striiker]

It’s not unfair to observe that your highest paid players need to excel in the playoffs for your team to have playoff success, & Giroux & Voracek haven’t been good the last two times the Flyers made the postseason.

It’s not hate. They helped get them there. But they didn’t excel in the playoffs, & usually your best players need to if you’re going to win.

Well the bold isn't even what's happening. It's mindless bashing of the best players on the team because of pre-exposed agendas.

And in the 2016 playoffs, Giroux had a serious injury that required surgery and then hurt his entire next season...

This is the kind of important context I'm talking about. The only question is if it's being ignored on purpose or on accident.

Then, this year, in the games they won they played well. In the first games they lost, they were down early and never had a chance to play normally. They were playing catch-up from the start, against Crosby's line, and both Giroux and Couturier had no success. Then Couturier gets away from that matchup (while Giroux is with f***ing Filppula ) and suddenly he looks normal again... which is no coincidence. They simply lost their match-up against the best player in the game and the rest of the team did nothing to help (and plenty to hurt).

Want to look at Ghost? He had one poor series against the back-to-back cup champs, while playing with a partner who had one arm and in front of goaltenders who had some of the worst performances I've ever seen. Not enough to make any kind of real judgment on.

Again, context.


By the way, Mr Anti-Bias, what does your training tell you about the sources these complaints are coming from? Noticing any patterns there?
Because I'm just a stupid child and even I'm seeing some obvious ones that explain the dishonesty pretty easily.

 

[deadhead]

Maybe it's because good players who can't carry their team in the playoffs aren't really stars, they're just good complementary players.

Giroux is the only current Flyer who has a top flight PO record and that's from 5-8 years ago
Teams that go deep into the playoffs have a core of players that consistently produce:

Top 5x5 PO performers last ten years (20 or more points):
Guentzel 37g 17-14 31 3.40 pp/60 2.63 p1/60
Briere 45g 17-14 31 2.81/2.26
Leino 37g 9-12 21 2.68/2.29
Horton 43g 12-15 27 2.52/2.24
Crosby 154g 42-56 98 2.51/1.94
T Johnson 64g 19-16 35 2.45/2.31
R Smith 37g 9-13 22 2.42/2.31
Ryder 58g 14-14 28 2.37/2.03
Kucherov 62g 16-17 33 2.32/1.90
Krejci 108g 22-39 61 2.19/1.58
Kane 108g 32-31 63 2.17/1.96
Franzen 83g 22-19 41 2.14/1.88
Marchand 84g 15-30 45 2.13/1.61
Malkin 152g 29-47 72 2.10/1.63
Kessel 83g 18-20 38 2.09/1.70
Ward 83g 14-23 37 2.04/1.33
J Williams 98g 20-28 48 2.04/1.49
Datsyuk 97g 18-30 45 2.04/1.53
Bergeron 105g 17-34 51 2.02/1.50
Killorn 64g 15-15 30 1.98/1.52
Palat 63g 12-16 28 1.96/1.47
Kuznetsov 62g 17-14 31 1.95/1.57
Ovechkin 120g 37-24 61 1.93/1.58
Coutere 96g 16-24 40 1.92/1.44
Silfverberg 69g 13-16 29 1.88/1.49
Giroux 69g 12-17 29 1.85/1.47
Sharp 130g 27-28 55 1.84/1.48

Kopitar 79g 13-22 35 1.73/1.39
Filppula 140g 15-38 53 1.63/1.14
Talbot 78g 11-15 26 1.63/1.25
Toews 128g 17-36 53 1.60/1.06
Hornqvist 82g 14-13 27 1.58/1.34
Backstrom 115g 19-28 47 1.58/1.31
J Neal 99g 22-15 37 1.53/1.33
Hagelin 121g 18-23 41 1.53/1.12
Carter 114g 18-19 37 1.46/1.18
Stamkos 66g 11-12 23 1.45/1.13
Richards 130g 13-26 39 1.43/1.14
Hartnell 83g 9-14 23 1.31/0.97
Oshie 78g 10-14 24 1.24/0.83

Voracek 34g 2-8 10 1.45/1.30
Simmonds 42g 4-8 12 1.39/1.04
Couts 24g 7-2 9 1.87/1.67

 

[deadhead]

Top Power play performers:

Getzlaff 88g 10-27 37 7.34 pp/60, 4.76 p1/60
D Sedin 59g 8-17 25 7.23/4.05
Stamkos 66g 10-16 26 7.17/3.86
Toews 128g 17-26 43 6.97/5.84
H Sedin 62g 6-20 26 6.85/4.75
Kessel 83g 12-20 32 6.75/4.64
Backstrom 115g 7-35 42 6.35/4.38
Malkin 152g 26-44 70 6.19/4.51
Crosby 154g 17-50 67 6.06/3.98
Franzen 83g 14-12 26 6.04/4.65
Coutere 96g 12-17 29 5.99/4.54
Kane 127g 8-31 39 5.94/4.20
Lidstrom 71g 10-19 29 5.93/4.30
Zetterberg 97g 13-21 34 5.75/3.72
Richards 130g 8-28 36 5.61/3.43
St Louis 62g 7-13 20 5.56/3.89
Boyle 85g 6-29 35 5.55/2.85
Ovechkin 120g 20-28 48 5.54/3.96
Giroux 69g 6-16 22 5.38/3.42

Carlson 99g 12-15 27 7.25/5.37
Gonchar 77g 5-29 34 5.39/3.17

Voracek 34g 2-5 7 3.77/2.69

 

[CodyTheHuman]

That's a really high quality gif. I feel like Jeff Bridges is staring right at me.

 

[Garbage Goal]

The worst thing you can do for stupid people is give them attention.

For emphasis.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[kudymen]

Risking to look dumb but is this a young Jay Leno?

 

[Chinatown88]

Risking to look dumb but is this a young Jay Leno?

Nah it's Josh Peck. He played a character named Josh Nichols on a live sticom show called Drake & Josh that was on Nickelodeon. He used to be really fat but he dropped a lot of weight as he grew up.

 

[kudymen]

Nah it's Josh Peck. He played a character named Josh Nichols on a live sticom show called Drake & Josh that was on Nickelodeon. He used to be really fat but he dropped a lot of weight as he grew up.

Ah alright, thanks. Now I stand corrected in thinking that there was only one person in the world with such combination of jaw and hair

 

[Chinatown88]

Ah alright, thanks. Now I stand corrected in thinking that there was only one person in the world with such combination of jaw and hair

Since you mentioned a young Jay Leno I can't get it out of my mind now.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Risking to look dumb but is this a young Jay Leno?

Kind of looks like him. I never really made that connection. Though, when I used to watch that show, I can't say I cared too much for who Jay Leno was.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Josh Peck is one of those people who ended up looking completely different as an adult than in their teen years. I just look lankier and got lazier with my shaving.

 

[Adtar02]

I'll never understand why there's always a rabid part of every fanbase that can't appreciate their teams best players.

Maybe it's just laziness where they assume that, if the team loses, it must be the stars fault and they need somewhere to direct their anger. And then that's compounded by adding silly fabricated flaws on top of it, to defend their outbursts. I'm not sure if deep down they know they're wrong, but are too committed/stubborn to admit it, or if they honestly believe the nonsense.

Why can't we just use common sense and blame the people who deserve blame? Why not look at context and see who actually played bad and why they played bad. Why is that so much to ask for?

Honestly it seems more like they are trying to be different to seem smart. But mostly it does the opposite

 

[deadhead]

There's nothing "rabid" about being skeptical of exaggerated "homer" claims.

As I've shown, Giroux has been a good, but not great playoff performer.
He's a very good but not great even strength regular season scorer.
His best attribute is as a power play QB, but he's not that far above his peers.
Last five years, he's 3rd in pp/60 on the power play, behind Backstrom and Malkin, and ahead of Kucherov, Shattenkirk, Datsyuk and Crosby.
5x5 he isn't even among the top 50 scorers.

It's not "slamming" Giroux to call him a very good but less than elite player.
He's not the best offensive player in the league and he's pretty middle of the road defensively.
His peak was from 22-26 years old, a nice bounce back season last year at LW, but it's doubtful he'll stay at that level going forward.

 

[Striiker]

Honestly it seems more like they are trying to be different to seems smart. But mostly it does the opposite

Yeah, it's aggressive ignorance.

They have transparent agendas and need to be dishonest to serve them. Twisting stats, ignoring reality, making up fabricated flaws, etc etc. They just hope that people are too stupid/lazy to fact check and will believe their lies, because any tiny amount of research proves them wrong. Luckily it seems like the majority of the board has figured them out and just ignore them these days. Really nobody takes them seriously, except for fellow trolls.

 

[deadhead]

I think Alex Jones is looking for a replacement, someone paranoid who can create conspiracy theories out of whole cloth.
I think we have a viable candidate here.

Claiming someone who disagrees with you is a "liar," has an agenda, etc., reflects a pretty insecure personality.
Especially when instead of providing actual facts, someone has to resort to blanket slanders.

Gee, maybe I can make the enemies list!