The Claude Julien Thread - The “Tabarnacle” edition.

[jaffy27]

Seriously they both deserved it. How can he be good to some and not to others ? Maybe because the player has something to do with it ?

I don’t like the way Julien managed that situation with the media......4th line here and there no problem, but the love affairs with Plekanec to start the OT and Weal playing PP......I just don’t agree with certain things.

Galchenyuk not playing at centre I was good with.....but 4th line fir extensive periods of ti e was no good either.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Pettersson
Born: November 12, 1998 vs KK born July 2000
They both played their first season last year

Keep going, i insist

 

[THE HOFF]

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[1909]

I don’t like the way Julien managed that situation with the media......4th line here and there no problem, but the love affairs with Plekanec to start the OT and Weal playing PP......I just don’t agree with certain things.

Galchenyuk not playing at centre I was good with.....but 4th line fir extensive periods of ti e was no good either.

Untrue. Galchy played few games on the 4th, mainly because he was totally out of shape when he came back from his injury. And his off ice partying with Beaulieu did not help his MTL carreer.

 

[ahmedou]

Be his buddy and your place will be guaranteed. That's nonsense. It'll never end. It getting increasingly worse. I don't need to listen to his explanations. He's not credible anymore.

 

[Draft]

So we all realize that Domi (1st line vet) was demoted/moved to wing to make room for rookie Suzuki at centre? Fleury has stayed in the lineup despite some pretty key errors in judgement at times and capable veteran depth behind him.

I think the narrative of Julien being unwilling to develop young players is pretty over blown. Pretty clear that if you play well and commit to playing responsibly, you're going to get rewarded and you'll have some leash to work with.

Not sure about the Weal/Cousins situation on the PP though. Cousins is not a bad faceoff guy and is good at getting and maintaining possession, that's fine. Could live with it if he's a complimentary/net front/boards/possession type of guy with lots of other skilled players. Weal makes no sense at all - not a threat or benefit in any way. Putting them both together and playing them over more deceptive, creative, and skilled players is a bit much for me. Poor judgement IMO.

 

[dinodebino]

So we all realize that Domi (1st line vet) was demoted/moved to wing to make room for rookie Suzuki at centre? Fleury has stayed in the lineup despite some pretty key errors in judgement at times and capable veteran depth behind him.

I think the narrative of Julien being unwilling to develop young players is pretty over blown. Pretty clear that if you play well and commit to playing responsibly, you're going to get rewarded and you'll have some leash to work with.

Not sure about the Weal/Cousins situation on the PP though. Cousins is not a bad faceoff guy and is good at getting and maintaining possession, that's fine. Could live with it if he's a complimentary/net front/boards/possession type of guy with lots of other skilled players. Weal makes no sense at all - not a threat or benefit in any way. Putting them both together and playing them over more deceptive, creative, and skilled players is a bit much for me. Poor judgement IMO.

Neither Cousins nor Weal should come close to a PP. They are 4th line players.

 

[ItzaGreat]

Neither Cousins nor Weal should come close to a PP. They are 4th line players.

I think the reason they are on the PP is because both are right-handed shots.

That's the only reason I can imagine.

 

[Per Sjoblom]

What does Tabarnacle mean in this context (I know what it means otherwise since we have that word in Swedish as well)?

 

[dinodebino]

I think the reason they are on the PP is because both are right-handed shots.

That's the only reason I can imagine.

It's the 1990's- early 2000's way of thinking hockey. It's called overcoaching and it's been dead since the Pens proved that you need by playing your best players.

 

[Doc McKenna]

What does Tabarnacle mean in this context (I know what it means otherwise since we have that word in Swedish as well)?

Its the container for the 'body and blood of christ' in catholic terms. Its also modified to be a swear word en francais.

like saying god darnit, swearing on the Eucharist in essence. I know equivalents in a few other languages.

 

[The Real Timo]

I think the reason they are on the PP is because both are right-handed shots.

That's the only reason I can imagine.

I have a right handed shot... you don't see me on a PP.

 

[ItzaGreat]

I have a right handed shot... you don't see me on a PP.

Funny you should say that...you're next on the ice!

 

[The Real Timo]

it's an incredibly boring night so I am watching the leafs game... they are leading 1-0... i believe the coaching change has done wonders and the parade is already being planned. Habs should do the same.

 

[Kimota]

Its the container for the 'body and blood of christ' in catholic terms. Its also modified to be a swear word en francais.

like saying god darnit, swearing on the Eucharist in essence. I know equivalents in a few other languages.

When Habs fans watch the games, they feel that Julien is the container of the blood of Christ

 

[The Real Timo]

When Habs fans watch the games, they feel that Julien is the container of the blood of Christ

More like a container of boston cream goo.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I have no idea why KK was not on the pp the last few games, but other than that the way Julien has used KK is no different than how other coaches have used their young talented center.
Cody Glass is playing RW on the 3rd line for Vegas
Martin Necas is playing RW on the 3rd line for Carolina
Barret Hayton is playing LW on the 4th line for Arizona
Kirby Dack is playing center on the 4th line for the hawks
Kakko is playing on the 3rd line.
etc.

 

[ECWHSWI]

So we all realize that Domi (1st line vet) was demoted/moved to wing to make room for rookie Suzuki at centre? Fleury has stayed in the lineup despite some pretty key errors in judgement at times and capable veteran depth behind him.

I think the narrative of Julien being unwilling to develop young players is pretty over blown. Pretty clear that if you play well and commit to playing responsibly, you're going to get rewarded and you'll have some leash to work with.

Not sure about the Weal/Cousins situation on the PP though. Cousins is not a bad faceoff guy and is good at getting and maintaining possession, that's fine. Could live with it if he's a complimentary/net front/boards/possession type of guy with lots of other skilled players. Weal makes no sense at all - not a threat or benefit in any way. Putting them both together and playing them over more deceptive, creative, and skilled players is a bit much for me. Poor judgement IMO.

who is that veteran depth, CAPABLE you are speaking of ??

 

[ECWHSWI]

I have no idea why KK was not on the pp the last few games, but other than that the way Julien has used KK is no different than how other coaches have used their young talented center.
Cody Glass is playing RW on the 3rd line for Vegas
Martin Necas is playing RW on the 3rd line for Carolina
Barret Hayton is playing LW on the 4th line for Arizona
Kirby Dack is playing center on the 4th line for the hawks
Kakko is playing on the 3rd line.
etc.

all but one are 1st year players...

 

[Doc McKenna]

all but one are 1st year players...

And where did they go in terms of draft position.

 

[Kriss E]

I don’t like the way Julien managed that situation with the media......4th line here and there no problem, but the love affairs with Plekanec to start the OT and Weal playing PP......I just don’t agree with certain things.

Galchenyuk not playing at centre I was good with.....but 4th line fir extensive periods of ti e was no good either.

You still havent quite figured out the point mate. It's not about whether it's fine for Galch to have been wing, it's whether its smart to use DD or Drouin over him. That was the dumb thing.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Jordan weal taking faceoffs during first pp wave should be enough to fire Julien. What the f*** is the point to put a waiver material player to take pp faceoffs over Suzuki Domi kotkaniemi and Danault. Just those 4 alone should be way way above . Same shit for cousins. Both are ahl players or close. The f*** is this joke. What's so hard to run first pp

Suzuki gallagher tatar with Weber and mete
And 2nd pp Kotkaniemi armia Domi Petry and danault

How is this so hard to understand

 

[Milhouse40]

Jordan weal taking faceoffs during first pp wave should be enough to fire Julien. What the **** is the point to put a waiver material player to take pp faceoffs over Suzuki Domi kotkaniemi and Danault. Just those 4 alone should be way way above . Same **** for cousins. Both are ahl players or close. The **** is this joke. What's so hard to run first pp

Suzuki gallagher tatar with Weber and mete
And 2nd pp Kotkaniemi armia Domi Petry and danault

How is this so hard to understand

Although i don't agree with Weal on the PP....i do get that when the faceoff is on the right, then righties have more chances to win it than any left handed player. You got two options there, Suzuki at 40% or Weal at 50%.

Last season, Weal was 82% in faceoffs on the PP.
You want to fire the coach because he used that guy to take the faceoffs?


Having said that….Julien is not the one running the PP in MTL. Muller is.

Last season, KK was the 5th most used forwards on the PP with 152 min. and produce 5 points

Weal played 27 min. and got 3 points, Danault played 39 min. and got 4 points.
Armia played 98 min. and got 6 points, Agostino played 37 min. and got 3 points.

When you got the worst PP in the league…..tell me why you would used KK?
It's not like they didn't try him and were not patient, but they want to make the PO.

I would still use KK a ton...but my idea wouldn't be to make the PP works.

I've been seeing what Julien really does since last year, and he's doing a great job in my book but it can't last.
He's micro-coaching which leads to decision like Weal taking faceoffs on the PP....but that's what happens when you don't have top quality players and that's not on him, that's on Bergevin.

 

[jaffy27]

You still havent quite figured out the point mate. It's not about whether it's fine for Galch to have been wing, it's whether its smart to use DD or Drouin over him. That was the dumb thing.

Galchenyuk is not an NHL centre....neither is Drouin, it’s that simple

 

[HabsMD97]

We need shooters on the pp. We've got a million playmakers but weber is the only shooter. Kotkaniemi doesnt shoot the puck even if his life depended on it.