Prospect Info: The Adolescent 2019 Draft Thread

[CupofOil]

I'd stay away from any prospect lacking a toolbox no matter how enticing the tools are. Yakupov, Puljujarvi, even Nurse to an extent are lacking that toolbox despite the immense natural talent.

Things like skating can be taught, Hockey IQ cannot. You either have it or you don't so I'd rather draft a prospect who has less physical gifts but can think the game at a high level.
IMO, the biggest issue with this team even moreso than lack of skill is too many low Hockey IQ players.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I'd stay away from any prospect lacking a toolbox no matter how enticing the tools are. Yakupov, Puljujarvi, even Nurse to an extent are lacking that toolbox despite the immense natural talent.

Things like skating can be taught, Hockey IQ cannot. You either have it or you don't so I'd rather draft a prospect who has less physical gifts but can think the game at a high level.
IMO, the biggest issue with this team even moreso than lack of skill is too many low Hockey IQ players.

That's why Philip Broberg is a no-go for me. Incredible tools and makes incredible end-to-end rushes, but I much prefer a higher IQ guy like York, Soderstrom, or Heinola. Same with the Dach/Krebs over Cozens argument.

 

[Canovin]

I'd stay away from any prospect lacking a toolbox no matter how enticing the tools are. Yakupov, Puljujarvi, even Nurse to an extent are lacking that toolbox despite the immense natural talent.

Things like skating can be taught, Hockey IQ cannot. You either have it or you don't so I'd rather draft a prospect who has less physical gifts but can think the game at a high level.
IMO, the biggest issue with this team even moreso than lack of skill is too many low Hockey IQ players.

Oilers draft too many raw with high upside over the safe high IQ prospects.

 

[Tyrolean]

Oilers draft too many raw with high upside over the safe high IQ prospects.

You want high IQ and skill. ie. Risto better than Nurse.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Oilers draft too many raw with high upside over the safe high IQ prospects.

Who would you include as safe high IQ prospects? Outside of the usual suspects in the top 5, Turcotte, Zagreb, and Krebs seem like players you can't really go wrong with at forward. I think we're picking at 8-10 this draft, I really hope we end up with one of those 3 or Byram.

I have a soft spot for Krebs though, love love love his compete. He has high IQ, solid stats on a weak team, and leadership qualities. Being the captain of your team in your draft year is uncommon from what I can remember.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Best scorer in the draft from the looks

 

[Zaddy]

NHL mock draft 2019: Senators, Rangers, Ducks gain stock in post-trade deadline edition

Mr. Steve-O has us taking Byram ahead of guys like Turcotte, Dach and Krebs as well as Oleg Zaitsev (who?) in the 2nd round.

Safe to say I'd be fairly disappointed with that outcome.

Although at least in this scenario we'd be staying away from Cozens and Podkolzin so it could be worse I guess.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

NHL mock draft 2019: Senators, Rangers, Ducks gain stock in post-trade deadline edition

Mr. Steve-O has us taking Byram ahead of guys like Turcotte, Dach and Krebs as well as Oleg Zaitsev (who?) in the 2nd round.

Safe to say I'd be fairly disappointed with that outcome.

Although at least in this scenario we'd be staying away from Cozens and Podkolzin so it could be worse I guess.

It's a pretty bad mock. Dach at 10 and Boldy at 3. He says Boldy has the best hockey IQ of any forward in the draft.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You want high IQ and skill. ie. Risto better than Nurse.

Risto doesn’t really have that good of an IQ, defensively he makes nurse look like a Norris winner

 

[Bangers]

The issue with drafting too many D is your AHL team only has so many spots for defenders so you start running out of room. Which I guess you could always then trade one for a forward

If the Oilers draft another D man with a pick in the 8th overall region, it won't be a big deal. By the team he moves to the AHL in a year, most of Bako's D will be at the age will have either made the big club or been moved along.

 

[Zaddy]

It's a pretty bad mock. Dach at 10 and Boldy at 3. He says Boldy has the best hockey IQ of any forward in the draft.

Yeah I know, I never put much stock into Steve's stuff. The guy had Svechnikov ahead of Dahlin last year and the funny thing about that is if Svech would ever look better than Dahlin it would be in their rookie years as it is light-years easier to step in at 18 as a forward than a defenseman, yet Dahlin is outscoring Svechnikov this season

 

[Quinteoilers]

Is there any “Matthew Tkachuk/Brad Marchand” type players in this draft? We need a guy like that, that can play and irritate the other team so bad that they go completely off the rails.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Is there any “Matthew Tkachuk/Brad Marchand” type players in this draft? We need a guy like that, that can play and irritate the other team so bad that they go completely off the rails.

Or you know, a player that can provide offense

 

[PKSpecialist]

NHL mock draft 2019: Senators, Rangers, Ducks gain stock in post-trade deadline edition

Mr. Steve-O has us taking Byram ahead of guys like Turcotte, Dach and Krebs as well as Oleg Zaitsev (who?) in the 2nd round.

Safe to say I'd be fairly disappointed with that outcome.

Although at least in this scenario we'd be staying away from Cozens and Podkolzin so it could be worse I guess.

Might want to take some time to get to know Zaitsev if you don't know who he is Zaddy. I'm a little torn on where he fits in to the draft right now. He started off the season as the Rebels number 1 center and was on an absolute tear. He's certainly cooled off stats wise, but there is a lot to like in the player. He's a playmaker with a good shot. He plays a 200 foot game and is one of the better two-way center prospects in the draft. He's a smart player with good size and physicality who is a dominant force in board play. A very swift skater with good acceleration. I don't think I'd be happy with him as our second rounder....just think that's a little high for him right now, but he's certainly in the conversation in the 3/4 rounds.

 

[smokersarejokers]

Lethbridge and Regina are on Sportsnet at 130 today.

A good chance to see Dylan Cozens, but keep in mind that Regina is a really bad team.

 

[Ace]

Yeah I know, I never put much stock into Steve's stuff. The guy had Svechnikov ahead of Dahlin last year and the funny thing about that is if Svech would ever look better than Dahlin it would be in their rookie years as it is light-years easier to step in at 18 as a forward than a defenseman, yet Dahlin is outscoring Svechnikov this season

This. It was such a look at me look at me outlier and his reasoning broke down to an admission that he values positions poorly. He basically indicated that he would take a potential 30 goal winger over a true #1 D. It just was wrong. No one is taking Jeff Skinner over Victor Hedman.

 

[XXIV97]

Our D prospects will be insane if we draft Byram.

Bouchard-Byram

 

[McDrai]

Our D prospects will be insane if we draft Byram.

Bouchard-Byram

That's our main problem imo (our breakout). We don't have many dmen who can break out the puck efficiently and effectively. It's either wrap it around the boards where the other team knows to pinch off the end boards, or just leave it behind the net for McDavid/Drai to skate the puck out. Byram would be a welcomed addition to our blueline in the future.

 

[Macblender]

Our D prospects will be insane if we draft Byram.

Bouchard-Byram

Agreed our D Depth chart would be:

Byram - Bouchard
Jones - Bear
Samaroukov - Berglund
Lagesson - Persson

With our LD already having Klef and Nurse then RD with Larsson.

Forwards to me are a much bigger concern but damn hard not to like our shot of at least one or two of the above guys becoming solid top 4 D.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Soderstrom > Broberg right?

 

[CupofOil]

NHL mock draft 2019: Senators, Rangers, Ducks gain stock in post-trade deadline edition

Mr. Steve-O has us taking Byram ahead of guys like Turcotte, Dach and Krebs as well as Oleg Zaitsev (who?) in the 2nd round.

Safe to say I'd be fairly disappointed with that outcome. it

Although at least in this scenario we'd be staying away from Cozens and Podkolzin so it could be worse I guess.

Byram is a great prospect, I'd be thrilled with him. Our D pipeline would be absolutely stacked with him.
I doubt the Oilers will be in a position to draft him though.

 

[McDNicks17]

Regarding Zaitsev, a WHL forward scoring around 0.5 points-per-game would be pretty close to being on my Do Not Draft list.

Doesn't matter what tools he has. If he can't score in junior, you're looking at a 4th line ceiling more than likely.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Regarding Zaitsev, a WHL forward scoring around 0.5 points-per-game would be pretty close to being on my Do Not Draft list.

Doesn't matter what tools he has. If he can't score in junior, you're looking at a 4th line ceiling more than likely.

He’s more like 0.6 PPG right now and on a poor offensive team. As far as his production goes, he’s an CHL rookie. It’s fine. It’s all about his progression next year and the year after. But with his skating, physical nature and solid board play, there is certainly an easy argument to take him in the 4th round. You’re right that his ceiling isn’t top line Center, but I think he has solid 3C potential.
His skills are very translatable to the pros.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Soderstrom > Broberg right?

In my opinion. Broberg is a toolsy guy but not very smart. Basically Nurse without the mean streak, and who knows if he'll translate as well as Doc.

 

[Joey Moss]

Byram being a PPG player on a team who's leading scorer has 6 more points than him is very impressive.

Some WHL comparables..

Matt Dumba 11/12- 57 points in 69 games
Derrick Pouliot - 11/12 - 59 points in 72 games
Morgan Rielly - 11/12 - 18 points in 18 games
Josh Morrissey - 12/13 - 47 points in 70 games
Ryan Pulock - 12/13 - 45 points in 61 games (overager)
Shea Theodore - 12/13 - 50 points in 71 games
Ivan Provorov - 14/15 - 61 points in 60 games (on a much better team)

His season is probably the best from draft eligible WHL defenseman in recent years as far as production goes.

If Byram and Bouchard develop you're probably looking at a top 5 D core in the NHL similar to Nashville.