Speculation: The 2020 Draft Thread: Part 1

[Old Navy Goat]

Why are so many people ranking Lundell in their top 10? Lundell does not have the same ceiling as a lot of these players who are in this 10 - 20 range.

He has a higher floor than most of the other prospects and his ceiling isn't lower than the 4th tier. People see him as a pretty safe option to at least be a 3C with the possibility of being a 2C if he can improve his quickness

 

[Ja Sports]

Fresh new hype reel for Connor Zary - absolute workhorse of a player

Hope you guys enjoy

 

[Jim Bob]

Wheeler: Final ranking for the 2020 NHL Draft's top 100...

9. Anton Lundell — C, HIFK, 6-foot-1

There are some misnomers out there about Lundell’s talent level and skating as being major concerns in considering him a top-10 pick. I disagree, to varying degrees, on both of those positions. He doesn’t have the dynamic qualities of the forwards listed ahead of him on my board, and he’s never going to consistently burn defenders off the rush, but he’s a better passer than he normally gets credit for, he’s heavier on the cycle than most of his peers, he can play through the middle of the ice and he makes decisions and reads quickly, which is just as important (if not more important) as his actual foot speed. It always feels like Lundell is involved and impacting a game (with and without the puck). Over the course of a game, that drives results. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that as a teenager in a top pro league, Lundell had a positive impact on possession, played more than 15 minutes a night or won 53.5 percent of his draws while producing offence consistently.

In the video below you can see some of the visual cues that might prompt some negative takeaways in watching Lundell. He’s got a hunch in his stride and a pitchfork skating stance that he will need to work to clean up. But where is he through the sequence? He’s involved and on the puck. And what is the outcome? Well, it’s Lundell finishing high and short-side:

 

[K8fool]

Unfortunately I can’t believe they rig a lottery that would send McDavid to Edmonton. They can rig a system that makes sure Chicago and Montreal get into the playoffs that we won’t call playoffs and if they fail still get to be in the lottery though. That they’re all about.

A payment for gifting the skinny smart one and mckillya to lala that succeeded in the diluted expansion and ......

..bettman saying buff is an essential franchise.. Ill be pissed if we arent top three and a mind control implant isnt placed middlingstat to teach him to see the game faster as another payoff for 25... Its a business and just parity entertainment decried the almost supreme court.

 

[m0pe]

Worst case scenrio for me is if we drop a spot in the lottery and 1-7 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz.

No clue who I would want then.

Perfetti - Not a fan and really question if he has good enough speed, strength and two-way game to put it all together. Great upside though.

Gunler - Less popular opinion, but I have him right up there and slightly ahead of Perfetti. To me, his flaws aren't as large and it is more inconsistency that can be worked on.

Lundell - Best fit maybe, but I have a handful of others ranked ahead of him. Serious doubts about his upside

Sanderson - This wouldn't be my choice but is a very real option. I think he would be a great defensive LD behind Dahlin, but would still go for a forward more likely.

Askarov - Highest ranked player for me, but goalies are still a crapshoot and we have so many bigger needs.


Doubt it would ever happen, but I would probably take Gunler.

 

[K8fool]

Forced to look at draft lottery stuff ... Again !! .. makes me and our albino fro capn quite agitated .

 

[hizzoner]

Intersting article today by Damien Cox of Toronto Star-"The League is helping to Keep the
sabres down"

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Worst case scenrio for me is if we drop a spot in the lottery and 1-7 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz.

No clue who I would want then.

For me its a toss up between Lundell and Quinn as I can make an argument for both. With Lundell you get your 3C for the next 6yrs, while Quinn gives you a Mark Stonesque winger

 

[m0pe]

For me its a toss up between Lundell and Quinn as I can make an argument for both. With Lundell you get your 3C for the next 6yrs, while Quinn gives you a Mark Stonesque winger

Yeah I should have included Quinn in there. I have cooled on him a bit. Don't see a real play driver at the next level. But if those other guys are gone, I would consider him too as a complimentary scorer for our top-6.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Worst case scenrio for me is if we drop a spot in the lottery and 1-7 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz.

No clue who I would want then.

Perfetti - Not a fan and really question if he has good enough speed, strength and two-way game to put it all together. Great upside though.

Gunler - Less popular opinion, but I have him right up there and slightly ahead of Perfetti. To me, his flaws aren't as large and it is more inconsistency that can be worked on.

Lundell - Best fit maybe, but I have a handful of others ranked ahead of him. Serious doubts about his upside

Sanderson - This wouldn't be my choice but is a very real option. I think he would be a great defensive LD behind Dahlin, but would still go for a forward more likely.

Askarov - Highest ranked player for me, but goalies are still a crapshoot and we have so many bigger needs.


Doubt it would ever happen, but I would probably take Gunler.

I look to trade down a few spots and pick up an asset, or trade the pick outright. 8th overall + Jake McCabe for Dylan Strome + Y

 

[Efectzoer]

Worst case scenrio for me is if we drop a spot in the lottery and 1-7 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz.

No clue who I would want then.

Perfetti - Not a fan and really question if he has good enough speed, strength and two-way game to put it all together. Great upside though.

Gunler - Less popular opinion, but I have him right up there and slightly ahead of Perfetti. To me, his flaws aren't as large and it is more inconsistency that can be worked on.

Lundell - Best fit maybe, but I have a handful of others ranked ahead of him. Serious doubts about his upside

Sanderson - This wouldn't be my choice but is a very real option. I think he would be a great defensive LD behind Dahlin, but would still go for a forward more likely.

Askarov - Highest ranked player for me, but goalies are still a crapshoot and we have so many bigger needs.


Doubt it would ever happen, but I would probably take Gunler.

Why do people rank Perfetti so high while never mentioning Jarvis?

 

[m0pe]

Why do people like rank Perfetti so high while never mentioning Jarvis?

I actually meant to list Jarvis too who I am very high on. I have him, Gunler and Perfetti all closely packed in the 9-11 range.

However, Perfetti is a consensus top-10 pick while Jarvis is rarely mentioned there, so I doubt it happens.

 

[Efectzoer]

I actually meant to list Jarvis too who I am very high on. I have him, Gunler and Perfetti all closely packed in the 9-11 range.

However, Perfetti is a consensus top-10 pick while Jarvis is rarely mentioned there, so I doubt it happens.

From what I've watched of him he seems to be a better player than Perfetti. Jarvis' speed I think will really help him. Jarvis likes to make his plays at a fast pace while Perfetti likes to slow the game down more.

 

[Jim Bob]

Why do people rank Perfetti so high while never mentioning Jarvis?

Seth Jarvis at eliteprospects.com

Seth Jarvis
Rankings
Ranked #16 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #29 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #11 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #11 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #18 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING

Cole Perfetti at eliteprospects.com

Cole Perfetti
Rankings
Ranked #4 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM
Ranked #9 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #6 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #8 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #5 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #7 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #6 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING

Most people have Perfetti rated higher than Jarvis.

 

[m0pe]

From what I've watched of him he seems to be a better player than Perfetti. Jarvis' speed I think will really help him. Jarvis likes to make his plays at a fast pace while Perfetti likes to slow the game down more.

I agree about their play style. But Perfetti clearly has better offensive tools if he does put it together. His shot, playmaking and hands are all better than Jarvis. Speed and better two-way game IMO is the reason why I have Jarvis right there with him though.

If we picked 8 like in this scenario, and chose Jarvis, I wouldn't be mad at all....but I would be shocked.

 

[jc17]

I think Perfetti's just been on the radar longer. Comparing their draft-1 years, Perfetti led his team in points while Jarvis was buried a little further down. The year before, Jarvis was playing at a school in which he had similar points to Robins, a guy expected to go in the mid-rounds, whereas Perfetti was putting up some big numbers in his AAA league.

In addition the points, I think there are a lot of people that see Perfetti's offensive ability like his shot and playmaking as more refined, while Jarvis was probably able to score more because of his speed. Maybe some people don't think that will translate as well, I dont know.

 

[flashsabre]

Why do so many people decide that skating speed= being better?

Geoff Sanderson skated faster then Gretzky. I think I would pick Gretzky

Skating fast is nice but if you don’t have the anticipation of when to use it, skill to go with it, the brain to process at the high speed or work ethic to use it consistently it really doesn’t mean much. There is so much more to being successful in today’s NHL then “ he skates fast”.

 

[Efectzoer]

Why do so many people decide that skating speed= being better?

Geoff Sanderson skated faster then Gretzky. I think I would pick Gretzky

Skating fast is nice but if you don’t have the anticipation of when to use it, skill to go with it, the brain to process at the high speed or work ethic to use it consistently it really doesn’t mean much. There is so much more to being successful in today’s NHL then “ he skates fast”.

I'm not saying all Jarvis has is speed. I'm saying that is his biggest asset. He is also very good with his hands and is a good playmaker too. He also isn't scared to go to the corners or drive to the net.

 

[flashsabre]

I'm not saying all Jarvis has is speed. I'm saying that is his biggest asset. He is also very good with his hands and is a good playmaker too. He also isn't scared to go to the corners or drive to the net.

wasn’t meant to call you out. I have seen so many posts where people have said player x is faster then player y so he is better. Just a pet peeve.

 

[Zman5778]

So for fun....I did a draft based on Wheeler's rankings:

3.) Marco Rossi, C
38.) Jereme Poirier, LD
100.) Alex Laferriere, RW
131.) Ivan Didkovsky, RW
193.) Pavel Gogolev, LW
210.) Winter Wallace, C (not on Wheeler's list)

 

[TheMistyStranger]

So for fun....I did a draft based on Wheeler's rankings:

3.) Marco Rossi, C
38.) Jereme Poirier, LD
100.) Alex Laferriere, RW
131.) Ivan Didkovsky, RW
193.) Pavel Gogolev, LW
210.) Winter Wallace, C (not on Wheeler's list)

I dig it

 

[TheMistyStranger]

I like Wallace as well. Big kid from a hockey factory.

After round 1, the theme was big centers. I’m actually pretty happy with this.

(8) Alexander Holtz, RW/LW
(38) Brendan Brisson, C
(100) Jack Finley, C
(131) William Dufour, RW
(193) Winter Wallace, C
(210) Logan Stein, G

 

[UnleashRasmus]

I want Lundell, Holtz or Raymond (In that order). Unless somehow we win the lottery for some ungodly reason. After those three forwards I have Askarov as a realistic target. I'm not that high on Rossi, though his numbers have warrant value.

 

[Jim Bob]

Wheeler: 10 intriguing 2020 NHL Draft prospects not in my...

 

[Jim Bob]

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