Prospect Info: The 2019 Entry NHL Draft Thread - Part X

[flyfysher]

So well said!

Unfortunately, you pissed off the pro-Barrie Posters.

I'm beginning to think it's Byram or Dach. Just depends on whether something can be swung for Barrie.

 

[avsfan09]

There is some truth to that, but you can't pay them all. If you pay Barrie 8M and 2 years from now he's your 3rd most important D (possibly 4th if we draft Byram), you have a serious payscale problem and you're tying up salary where you don't want to. So, the entire question hinges on what role you see him playing going forward, and the crystal ball is pretty murky there.

Trading Barrie now not only potentially makes the expansion draft problem easier to manage, it also removes a bit chunk of next years cap commitment, allowing you flexibility to go after a UFA without handcuffing yourself. Now, obviously you have to get good value coming back, but IMHO it makes complete sense for them to look at options if they present themselves.

Yes but as long as his contract is still of decent value he can be traded if that happens.

 

[Alex Jones]

I think Landy is the easy target after Barrie, but the sneaky one is Girard. I could see those negotiations being tricky with a 2 year bridge, then the inevitable nonsense will ensue.

I think Girard is one of those guys that's hard to valuate. Offensive defensman but not really a big time point producer, decent in his own end but can get pushed around. One of those guys that I think reasonable observers can have wildly different valuations on.

 

[Balthazar]

I think Girard is one of those guys that's hard to valuate. Offensive defensman but not really a big time point producer, decent in his own end but can get pushed around. One of those guys that I think reasonable observers can have wildly different valuations on.

Not worried about Girard.
The ROR, Duchene, Barrie, EJ, Varly and Landy core is slowly but surely being replaced by Mack, Rants, Girard, Makar and the upcoming #4. I don't think they'll make the same mistakes twice but we'll see.

 

[Patagonia]

I'm beginning to think it's Byram or Dach. Just depends on whether something can be swung for Barrie.

Interesting on the timing of these Barrie rumours.

Sakic & Co. are extremely secretive. For a rumour so close to the draft (assuming some truth), a trade is being prepared or soften the drafting of Byram.

 

[Balthazar]

Barrie and Byram don't even play on the same side, I don't think there's a correlation between the 2 events. Byram wouldn't replace Barrie.

 

[flyfysher]

Interesting on the timing of these Barrie rumours.

Sakic & Co. are extremely secretive. For a rumour so close to the draft (assuming some truth), a trade is being prepared or soften the drafting of Byram.

Some posters have me convinced that Dach might just eventually become the best player of the class. But Byram is a no lose proposition as well. I keep thinking we should be thrilled regardless although I prefer Byram if only because it fits the organization's needs like a glove and give it the flexibility to fill in with trades and FA acquisitions.

Is there any possibility of flipping Barrie + for Horvat and something else around Kapanen? I was lurking in their forum and they were referencing D. I think we shouldn't take it as a given that Z will easily re-sign with us at a reasonable cost.

 

[Patagonia]

Barrie and Byram don't even play on the same side, I don't think there's a correlation between the 2 events. Byram wouldn't replace Barrie.

I’m aware they play different sides, but Byram will eventually replace some of the lost offensive production and improve the defence. It also changes the defensive alignments that could open different trade options.

Byram - Makar
Girard - EJ
Cole/Graves - Meloche/Timmins

Zadorov/Barrie are seeking new deals and assume not returning. Byram helps to minimize the impact of the losses. The amended pairings are solid throughout the lines, greater financial flexibility and opportunity to trade for the needed player - 2C.

 

[AvsGuy]

I hate my own naivety - why are we assuming neither Barrie nor Zadorov is returning?

 

[Patagonia]

I hate my own naivety - why are we assuming neither Barrie nor Zadorov is returning?

Worse case scenario should contract negotiations become unsuccessful. AVs still have a bright future with DMen and drafting Byram further softens any losses should they be moved.

 

[Gabe the Babe]

To me the #4 pick tier is Turcotte, Dach, Byram. You can miss me with the Zegras or Cozens nonsense.

I’ve been consistent since March that those are the only three worth consideration. Otherwise trade back.

Just to confirm that I’m the truth. And that there are only 3 choices.

Edit: that probably just means they’ll draft Caufield even more.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Some posters have me convinced that Dach might just eventually become the best player of the class. But Byram is a no lose proposition as well. I keep thinking we should be thrilled regardless although I prefer Byram if only because it fits the organization's needs like a glove and give it the flexibility to fill in with trades and FA acquisitions.

Is there any possibility of flipping Barrie + for Horvat and something else around Kapanen? I was lurking in their forum and they were referencing D. I think we shouldn't take it as a given that Z will easily re-sign with us at a reasonable cost.

If Dach somehow becomes better than Kakko I'll be incredibly shocked. For me, he doesn't even end up in the top-10 but I'm more down on him than most.

 

[geofff]

Barrie and Byram don't even play on the same side, I don't think there's a correlation between the 2 events. Byram wouldn't replace Barrie.

But trading Barrie for a center (Horvat maybe), would lessen the need of picking a center at #4.

 

[UncleRisto]

I hate my own naivety - why are we assuming neither Barrie nor Zadorov is returning?

We have to trade them! That's the rules.

 

[Havre]

Personally I would take Dach/Turcotte and draft a D with no. 16. Will be so many solid Ds still left for that pick. Do it the other way around and you got to get lucky to find that 2C with no. 16.

To me it seems so obvious, but....

 

[Freudian]

The Barrie trade rumors are like the Stastny trade rumors, just low level white noise. It never materialized into anything with Stastny and there is a real chance it won't with Barrie either. I wouldn't even be shocked if Barrie walks for nothing next summer, even if I don't expect it.

 

[VikingAv]

Happy Draft-and-oh-my-God-rumours-are-swirling-day everybody! It's like being a kid on Christmas Eve again

My clear 1st choice at #4 is still Turcotte, but I'm expecting Chicago to pick him, so any of Zegras, Dach and Byram is ok with me. Expecting Dach.

Also starting to expect one of those top 10-11 fwds to be there at #16, because of the Knight/Broberg-rumours and also expecting Philly to take a D like Seider/Soderstrom.

And don't trade Barrie, Joe. Re-sign him instead. It's going to be reeeeal expensive, but enough of this perpetual rebuild-shit. Imo, it's completely unrealistic to get a Horvat back for Barrie, the best we can expect is a RNH, and he's only got two more years on his contract, so we all know how that's gonna go, both on this board and with an extension.

So excited for these two days

 

[VikingAv]

Personally I would take Dach/Turcotte and draft a D with no. 16. Will be so many solid Ds still left for that pick. Do it the other way around and you got to get lucky to find that 2C with no. 16.

To me it seems so obvious, but....

Re-sign Barrie, pick a fwd at #4 and #16 (or trade the #16 for a top/middle six fwd). Pick a G (Kotchetkov) and two D in the 2nd/3rd

 

[Havre]

Re-sign Barrie, pick a fwd at #4 and #16 (or trade the #16 for a top/middle six fwd). Pick a G (Kotchetkov) and two D in the 2nd/3rd

That works as well. I just would not pick a D at no. 4 with the way the team is built.

I know BPA, but it only took weeks of hockey after the 2017 draft to understand that Pettersson probably is the best forward from that draft. So if "BPA" can change drastically within weeks than you got to consider position somewhat as well. You can never say so because fans react to it, but pick Dach and call him BPA.

 

[AvsRobin]

According to that tool everyone is going to bust.

Many of them will.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Draft Day!

 

[avsfan09]

Many of them will.

Yes but clearly not all of them haha.

 

[missionAvs]

I hate my own naivety - why are we assuming neither Barrie nor Zadorov is returning?

Yeah I could see Trade Value being traded but would rather sign him. I truly have no idea where the Z stuff came from though. Personally I think we should re-sign both but hell, what do I know.

 

[Foxtail]

Thanks nothing yet but hoping soon!

Maybe I can pay someone on the floor to announce "We have a birth to announce! Trade fanatic and avid hfboarder on company time Lonely Badger has a 3rd kid!"

Congrats, if you have a boy are you naming him after out #4 pick ?

 

[ArWKo]

Did I miss some comment or rumor somewhere that so many people are suddenly really convinced that Dach would be the F choice at 4?