Prospect Info: The 2019 Entry NHL Draft Thread - Part III

[AvsFan29]

You think he's going to put on 40 pounds?


That's.... Optimistic.

A 6 foot athlete being 190-200 isn't optimistic. It's pretty standard

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

A 6 foot athlete being 190-200 isn't optimistic. It's pretty standard

Expecting a kid who is already almost 18 years old to add 30-40 pounds of muscle is the furthest thing from standard.

 

[Barklez]

A 6 foot athlete being 190-200 isn't optimistic. It's pretty standard

Common maybe, but most of them were probably 175-180 at the same age.

I don’t know enough about the NTDP to know if their kids tend to have more bulking up to do after they graduate out but I’d be worried about anyone adding 40 pounds and playing a remotely similar game to what they did beforehand.

ETA: for context, when MacK got huge he added 15-20 lbs IIRC and folks found that impressive.

 

[AvsFan29]

Expecting a kid who is already almost 18 years old to add 30-40 pounds of muscle is the furthest thing from standard.

I didn't say 30 pounds of muscle. Anyways 190 is realistic.

 

[Barklez]

I didn't say 30 pounds of muscle. Anyways 190 is realistic.

You want him on the Byfuglien diet?

 

[AvsFan29]

You want him on the Byfuglien diet?

Not sure why you think that a 6 foot athlete can't hit 190 pounds.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If he ends up being 180 that would be a pretty solid amount of muscle growth from the kid. He'd be a similar build to Patty Kane which obviously isn't a bad thing.


Hughes probably ends up being a similar size as well. I'd just rather give Hughes a winger with some more size if we're going with another forward around pick #10. Boldy, Dach, Krebs, or Turcotte types.



Hughes + Turcotte would be my dream scenario if we wound up with picks #1 and #10, not sure Turcotte makes it to #10 but as of right now it's definitely a possibility.

 

[Barklez]

Not sure why you think that a 6 foot athlete can't hit 190 pounds.

It’s called “frame”.

You seem to have a great grasp of anatomy and physical development though so I won’t bother wasting my breath.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Not sure why you think that a 6 foot athlete can't hit 190 pounds.

If it were so easy, why isn't Patty Kane playing at 190? Why is Pettersson and his 6'2" frame only playing at 175? Why am I and my 6'0" frame playing at 225?


Ok, that last one might have something to do with that extra slice of pizza I seem to always eat

 

[AvsFan29]

It’s called “frame”.

You seem to have a great grasp of anatomy and physical development though so I won’t bother wasting my breath.

Do you know what type of frame he has?

Every player on the avalanche that is 5'11" or taller, is over 190 pounds, except Calvert who's 186.

There's only 4 forwards on the entire TEAM that are under 190.

The only player under 185 is Kerfoot.

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Look it up yourself and stop wasting my time with this nonsense. Of course a 5'11" athlete can hit 190.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Wow I really didn't think such a stupid argument could come out of this but here we are.

 

[avsfan09]

If it were so easy, why isn't Patty Kane playing at 190? Why is Pettersson and his 6'2" frame only playing at 175? Why am I and my 6'0" frame playing at 225?


Ok, that last one might have something to do with that extra slice of pizza I seem to always eat

Kane is 6'?

 

[AvsFan29]

Wow I really didn't think such a stupid argument could come out of this but here we are.

I agree. All you have to do is Google NHL height and weight and get the awnser. This guy is talking about anatomy.

It would be strange for a 5'11-6'0" player to NOT hit 190.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Kane is 6'?

He's listed at 5'11", probably isn't 5'11" in the same way Zegras isn't 6'0"

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I agree. All you have to do is Google NHL height and weight and get the awnser. This guy is talking about anatomy.

It would be strange for a 5'11-6'0" player to NOT hit 190.

You're the one with the stupid argument.

It is not realistic at all to expect an 18 year old kid to put on 30-40 pounds of weight. Not healthy in the least bit and if you dont understand that then yeah, you do not understand much when it comes to the anatomy of the human body.


Who gives a shit if most players in that size range hit 190-200 pounds. There's certainly a large sample size of guys who cant hit that size because of the bone structure and density they're made of.


If Zegras can fill out to 180 pounds that would be a pretty significant increase in size for him. He's not going to get any larger then that unless some major changes to his diet occur that probably wouldn't be good for his play.

 

[Barklez]

You're the one with the stupid argument.

It is not realistic at all to expect an 18 year old kid to put on 30-40 pounds of weight. Not healthy in the least bit and if you dont understand that then yeah, you do not understand much when it comes to the anatomy of the human body.


Who gives a **** if most players in that size range hit 190-200 pounds. There's certainly a large sample size of guys who cant hit that size because of the bone structure and density they're made of.


If Zegras can fill out to 180 pounds that would be a pretty significant increase in size for him. He's not going to get any larger then that unless some major changes to his diet occur that probably wouldn't be good for his play.

The ignore feature is a blessing. Good for the blood pressure.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Just to give you an example of all kinds of guys in that 5'11" or 6'0" range that aren't anywhere near 190...

Patty Kane
Mitch Marner
Nikolaj Ehlers
Sebastian Aho



The point is if he's only 160 right now he's going to struggle to get above 180.

 

[AvsFan29]

You're the one with the stupid argument.

It is not realistic at all to expect an 18 year old kid to put on 30-40 pounds of weight. Not healthy in the least bit and if you dont understand that then yeah, you do not understand much when it comes to the anatomy of the human body.


Who gives a **** if most players in that size range hit 190-200 pounds. There's certainly a large sample size of guys who cant hit that size because of the bone structure and density they're made of.


If Zegras can fill out to 180 pounds that would be a pretty significant increase in size for him. He's not going to get any larger then that unless some major changes to his diet occur that probably wouldn't be good for his play.

You guys have a dumb argument. All you need to do is look up averages.

You don't even know anything about the player, let alone assume he's going to be undersized. It's much more likely he's not.

Stop being an idiot

 

[AvsFan29]

Just to give you an example of all kinds of guys in that 5'11" or 6'0" range that aren't anywhere near 190...

Patty Kane
Mitch Marner
Nikolaj Ehlers
Sebastian Aho



The point is if he's only 160 right now he's going to struggle to get above 180.

Struggle to get to 180??? Really??? Ridiculously stupid to assume that

 

[The Abusement Park]

Not sure why you think that a 6 foot athlete can't hit 190 pounds.

His body type won't allow him to add 40lbs and be in hockey shape.

 

[Barklez]

His body type won't allow him to add 40lbs and be in hockey shape.

That can’t be true! You’re an idiot!

 

[AvsFan29]

His body type won't allow him to add 40lbs and be in hockey shape.

I can guarantee you he's over 180 and odds are over 190. Anyway I don't want to talk about this any more. Watching the game

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'm not getting involved anymore. Trying to explain things to someone who either doesn't understand the concept or simply wont listen is a waste of time.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

All I'll say is this one last comment.


- Tyson Jost was 5'11" 190 pounds when he weighed in at the NHL combine. And now he's 193 pounds.

- Sebastian Aho was 5'11" 172 Pounds at the combine. And now he's 176 pounds.

- Mitch Marner was 5'11" 160 pounds at the combine and now he's 175 pounds

- Nikolaj Ehlers was 5'11" 162 pounds at the combine and now he's 172 pounds



Generally these guys are putting on 5-10 pounds of extra muscle. Expecting a guy to put on 30, let alone 40 pounds is just ridiculous. It doesn't happen. Even 20 pounds is extremely rare, only William Nylander was able to put on 20+ pounds and William also gained 1-2 inches in height.


So yeah, Zegras jumping from 165 to 180 would be quite the impressive strength improvement.

 

[cgf]

Can you imagine how good Marner & Aho would be if anyone told them they were supposed to weigh 190-200?