Targets in Potential Eichel/Reinhart/Risto trades

[SI]

The best dance partner are the Kings with their deep pool of prospects -

Zegras is the most desirable prospect and the one I’d asking for.

Pettersson is the Young NHL player I would try to pull off - if that was the direction I wanted to go.

here is a quick rundown of what I’d try to accomplish -

kuznetsov, Vanecik, and Jensen
For
Reinhart and Ristolainen

Zegras and Comtois (with maybe some other pieces)
For Eichel

or

Reinhart for Monahan
Turcotte, ‘21 #1, Kaliyev for Eichel
Ristolainen for #1 and a 2nd

then try to capitalize on Lightning cap situation and grab 1 or 2 of Killorn, Palat, or Gourde

 

[HaNotsri]

All I need from a Ristolainen trade is for Ristolainen to leave and for the Sabres to not replace him with Jack Johnson or Erik Gudbranson or someone else who is generally considered to be one of worst players in the NHL.

That's all. I mean, I know it's the Sabres, but that seems like a low bar to clear.

I'd prefer if they don't trade for three RHD bottom pairing defensemen before trading Risto this time...

 

[Hasek]

The only one I would be willing to trade at this time is Reinhart. His value is high. The Sabres need to stop selling low and buying high as they have been doing so much in the last 8 years.

 

[dkollidas]

If we did something with Vegas I’d love to get Tuch. Plays a strong physical game, from the area (Syracuse at least), has term and is young.
Obviously he’d only be a part of an Eichel deal.

But maybe an even swap for Reinhart if traded?

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Reinhart is from Vancouver and reportedly would be interested in returning to the west coast.

The guy from Vancouver I'd target is Nils Hoglander. He is a high motor, physical and skilled player. That is the type of guy the Sabres need more of.

He played three years in the Swedish men's league as a teenager. 11 points in 7 U20 games. He just put up 26 points in 51 games with the Nucks as a 20 year old.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Hoglander is a guy the board was high on in the 2019 draft, particularly Jame and or Chainshot iirc. imo the Sabres should've drafted him over Ryan Johnson.

 

[Fjordy]

Reinhart is from Vancouver and reportedly would be interested in returning to the west coast.

The guy from Vancouver I'd target is Nils Hoglander. He is a high motor, physical and skilled player. That is the type of guy the Sabres need more of.

He played three years in the Swedish men's league as a teenager. 11 points in 7 U20 games. He just put up 26 points in 51 games with the Nucks as a 20 year old.

For obvious reasons, I would be interested in Podkolzin, but also his playing and leadership qualities could help this core, and he is a beast in the playoffs. But I like Hoglander too.

 

[Deleted member 331730]

Dennis Bernstein knows what we like around here

Eichel isn't a 80 point player in 82 regulars... he is a potenzial 90-95 point player an a top 10 center. Byfield and the 1st in 2021 entry draft is minimum

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

For obvious reasons, I would be interested in Podkolzin, but also his playing and leadership qualities could help this core, and he is a beast in the playoffs. But I like Hoglander too.

I liked Podkolzin in his draft year but his stock has fallen since then. He had three uninspiring U20s and hasn't produced in the KHL.

Any idea what has happened to him?

 

[threeVo]

The Ducks could be intriguing. Gibson would need to be coming back, signed long term they have a top 4 pick this year and a few high end prospects.

 

[Fjordy]

I liked Podkolzin in his draft year but his stock has fallen since then. He had three uninspiring U20s and hasn't produced in the KHL.

Any idea what has happened to him?

Wait, he was the best SKA player in this playoff, his development was not linear, but now he seems to be in order.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Wait, he was the best SKA player in this playoff, his development was not linear, but now he seems to be in order.

I see. He seems to improve his play during the playoffs. Interesting.

 

[Fjordy]

I see. He seems improve his play during the playoffs. Interesting.

In the regular season, he mainly played at the 3-4 line and did not get much ice-time, with not the strongest partners. SKA is a difficult team for the development of a young player, of course, if it's not such a talent as Panarin.

 

[TunaBoss44]

The best dance partner are the Kings with their deep pool of prospects -

Zegras is the most desirable prospect and the one I’d asking for.

Pettersson is the Young NHL player I would try to pull off - if that was the direction I wanted to go.

here is a quick rundown of what I’d try to accomplish -

kuznetsov, Vanecik, and Jensen
For
Reinhart and Ristolainen

Zegras and Comtois (with maybe some other pieces)
For Eichel

or

Reinhart for Monahan
Turcotte, ‘21 #1, Kaliyev for Eichel
Ristolainen for #1 and a 2nd

then try to capitalize on Lightning cap situation and grab 1 or 2 of Killorn, Palat, or Gourde

I want no part of Kuznetsov. A better organization than ours wants to dump him because of character concerns? Yikes. Keep him far far away from our kids. And that's without considering his contract/age

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

For Jack? We better get at least one of the worst players in the league, one criminal who will quit on us, one tall boi, and one lotto ticket. Got a history of success here.

 

[explore]

I'm gonna put this here so I can say, "I told you so":

When the Sabres trade Eichel, they won't be getting back the other team's best prospect or a player of equal calibre.

Not Byfield.
Not Turcotte.
Definitely not Zegras.
Not Laf.
Maybe Kakko but only because I think he's gonna bust.

No NHLer remotely on the level of Pastranak

Kevyn Adams will get back the other team's third-best or worse prospect, an NHL second or third line winger, an AHLer, and a protected 1st plus maybe a conditional third that can turn into a second if the team wins the cup that year or some other low probability event, plus he's gonna take back a cap dump signed for a few years

He'll then spin it as a win for the franchise because they got back guys who "want to be here" even though any NHLer he acquires is probably gonna feel like Slava Kozlov after Hasek said Darcy couldn't acquire anyone important from Detroit when trading him

 

[Fjordy]

I'm gonna put this here so I can say, "I told you so":

When the Sabres trade Eichel, they won't be getting back the other team's best prospect or a player of equal calibre.

Not Byfield.
Not Turcotte.
Definitely not Zegras.
Not Laf.
Maybe Kakko but only because I think he's gonna bust.

No NHLer remotely on the level of Pastranak

Kevyn Adams will get back the other team's third-best or worse prospect, an NHL second or third line winger, an AHLer, and a protected 1st plus maybe a conditional third that can turn into a second if the team wins the cup that year or some other low probability event, plus he's gonna take back a cap dump signed for a few years

He'll then spin it as a win for the franchise because they got back guys who "want to be here" even though any NHLer he acquires is probably gonna feel like Slava Kozlov after Hasek said Darcy couldn't acquire anyone important from Detroit when trading him

An interesting statement. I would like to clarify such players as, for example, Drysdale , Comtois, Rossi, Boldy, Krebs, Tuch how are they quoted in your coordinate system?

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

I'm gonna put this here so I can say, "I told you so":

When the Sabres trade Eichel, they won't be getting back the other team's best prospect or a player of equal calibre.

Not Byfield.
Not Turcotte.
Definitely not Zegras.
Not Laf.
Maybe Kakko but only because I think he's gonna bust.

No NHLer remotely on the level of Pastranak

Kevyn Adams will get back the other team's third-best or worse prospect, an NHL second or third line winger, an AHLer, and a protected 1st plus maybe a conditional third that can turn into a second if the team wins the cup that year or some other low probability event, plus he's gonna take back a cap dump signed for a few years

He'll then spin it as a win for the franchise because they got back guys who "want to be here" even though any NHLer he acquires is probably gonna feel like Slava Kozlov after Hasek said Darcy couldn't acquire anyone important from Detroit when trading him

Na.

Using RoR and his looming TEN MILLION DOLLAR BONUS trade and the Hasek trade where he could just retire is nothing like a trade for a ppg center in his prime signed for 5 more years. And if no team is willing to give that up then Jack can f*** off the next 5 years here. Not like he has done a f***ing thing to help this team win.

 

[markpenske]

Eichel isn't a 80 point player in 82 regulars... he is a potenzial 90-95 point player an a top 10 center. Byfield and the 1st in 2021 entry draft is minimum

Did he say byfield "AND" Turcotte, 1st & 2nd? or did he say
Byfield "OR" Turcotte, 1st & 2nd?

 

[Fjordy]

byfield "AND" Turcotte, 1st & 2nd?

This


But I certainly do not believe that both will be there, but one of them must be.

 

[Husko]

(1) I'm still 100% against trading Jack/Sam. I wouldn't do it. Full stop.

(2) If it's a foregone conclusion, here's where I've landed on return:

I want one player back for each of them. Maybe that's hyperbole, but that's the idea. One player of equal value back. If we're getting a four quarters in exchange for a dollar I hate it. The more "pieces" that come back in either deal the more I'm likely to hate it.

Logical? Sensical? The opinion of someone still actively invested in the team? Probably not. But that's where I'm at.

 

[Bufbro]

(1) I'm still 100% against trading Jack/Sam. I wouldn't do it. Full stop.

(2) If it's a foregone conclusion, here's where I've landed on return:

I want one player back for each of them. Maybe that's hyperbole, but that's the idea. One player of equal value back. If we're getting a four quarters in exchange for a dollar I hate it. The more "pieces" that come back in either deal the more I'm likely to hate it.

Logical? Sensical? The opinion of someone still actively invested in the team? Probably not. But that's where I'm at.

I don't think this is realistic, no.

1) Most teams trading for a player of this caliber are looking to make the "get us over the top" trade. They won't be looking to send top end players back because that's basically a parallel move. Only exception would be if they need a center instead of a premier winger. But not many wingers worth Eichel.

2) Eichels injury and both Sams and Jacks discontent will likely make other GMs think they should be discounted. Very unlikely that you get an equal player back IMO.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I don't think this is realistic, no.

1) Most teams trading for a player of this caliber are looking to make the "get us over the top" trade. They won't be looking to send top end players back because that's basically a parallel move. Only exception would be if they need a center instead of a premier winger. But not many wingers worth Eichel.

2) Eichels injury and both Sams and Jacks discontent will likely make other GMs think they should be discounted. Very unlikely that you get an equal player back IMO.

(1) Eichel and Reinhart are foundational pieces, not "put you over the top" pieces. Nobody who's already got a cup contending team is missing a #1 center.

(2) Let's just assume that's true even though I see no reason to believe it is. Jack's under contract for 5 more years. We can just keep him.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

An interesting statement. I would like to clarify such players as, for example, Drysdale , Comtois, Rossi, Boldy, Krebs, Tuch how are they quoted in your coordinate system?

Yeah. I keep saying this - but the return likely falls somewhere in the middle.

You guys thinking Eichel fetches a Lindros type package are wrong.

You guys who think he returns garbage are also wrong.

 

[BananaSquad]

I don’t know how the Sabres Atleast don’t get back what the Flyers got for Mike Richards. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn (think he was considered a top 3 prospect in hockey at the time) and a draft pick. Richards ended up getting a 2nd but imo Eichel is better and younger, should get a first.