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There's a huge difference between what these 2 teams did.
The problem with the Oilers is that they decided to go completely with their youth and didn't have veterans to help guide the team and mentor the young. The Pens had a lot of vets on their roster when Crosby and Malkin first came in - they learned from seasoned vets - led of course by Lemieux, but that team also had Recchi, Palffy, Gonchar, and Leclair.
The Oilers thought they could just let their youth run with it and develop on their own... and then made things even worse by recycling rookie coaches to guide them. This is why even with their most talented players you see holes in their games.
The proper way to rebuild, IMO, is to have good leaders and respected vets around for your youth to lean on - and not to stack the roster with young players, but bring them in gradually learning from the vets. This is what we saw in Pittsburgh.. what we always see in Detroit, what we've seen in the past in Colorado (though they are a very young roster this time around).
Teams that seemed to be forever stuck in rebuild, like the Oilers, or Thrashers in the past, or Isles, etc, seem to focus so much to finding as many spots for their up and comers that they ignore the importance of having good veteran leaders to help that development process. Don't want to see the Canucks caught in that cycle. The Sedins, Hamhuis, Bieksa - these guys are going to be invaluable IMO in helping the next wave develop.
There's a huge difference between what these 2 teams did.
The problem with the Oilers is that they decided to go completely with their youth and didn't have veterans to help guide the team and mentor the young. The Pens had a lot of vets on their roster when Crosby and Malkin first came in - they learned from seasoned vets - led of course by Lemieux, but that team also had Recchi, Palffy, Gonchar, and Leclair.
The Oilers thought they could just let their youth run with it and develop on their own... and then made things even worse by recycling rookie coaches to guide them. This is why even with their most talented players you see holes in their games.
The proper way to rebuild, IMO, is to have good leaders and respected vets around for your youth to lean on - and not to stack the roster with young players, but bring them in gradually learning from the vets. This is what we saw in Pittsburgh.. what we always see in Detroit, what we've seen in the past in Colorado (though they are a very young roster this time around).
Teams that seemed to be forever stuck in rebuild, like the Oilers, or Thrashers in the past, or Isles, etc, seem to focus so much to finding as many spots for their up and comers that they ignore the importance of having good veteran leaders to help that development process. Don't want to see the Canucks caught in that cycle. The Sedins, Hamhuis, Bieksa - these guys are going to be invaluable IMO in helping the next wave develop.
Tank just this one year, sign some FA's this offseason at high salary 1 year deals, promising to trade them to a contender of their choosing at the deadline and retain 50% on each and flip them for picks in 2015, get a top 5 pick, take a center with that top 5 pick that has potential 1C in him. The year after that, insert young players who will more than likely be ready. (Horvat, Shinkaruk etc), and compliment them with vets with good skill to play along side of.. Make the playoffs and make at least Round 2, and don't tank from then on.
This "retooling on the fly" is just going to turn this team into another Calgary or Toronto. Definitely don't want that.
Why does it have to be "tank oilers style?" Why can't it be "tank Avalanche style?"
i dont want to tank "oilers style", but I would like to tank this upcomming season, then get back to trying to be competitive
Oiler style could also be Penguins style IMO...
You can't win the lottery by tanking. The only thing you can do is not make the playoffs then have a chance to win the lottery. We likely won't make the playoffs anyway, so we are fine.
“What’s the Pittsburgh model?†Burke said. “They won a God-damned lottery and they got the best player in the game."
I realize he said that when he was with the Leafs but I wanted to use this pic 'cause of the hair!
We still don't have a franchise player for the future. Need one by any means necessary.
Do the Kings have a "franchise player"? Sure, Doughty's pretty good but he's not really a 'franchise player'... he didn't even get a Norris nomination. None of the rest of their core came as high first round picks IIRC.
I'd say the Kings don't have a franchise player in the sense you're thinking of, but it doesn't seem to be holding them back much.
McDavid would be a god if he can have the Sedins mentoring him.
wtf? Doughty is the definition of a Franchise player. Kopitar is also a Franchise player. Hes as good if not better than Toews.
The Boston Bruins say hello
This "retooling on the fly" is just going to turn this team into another Calgary or Toronto. Definitely don't want that.
Why does it have to be "tank oilers style?" Why can't it be "tank Avalanche style?"
The easiest way to re-tool on the fly is by tanking one season, drafting McDavid, and then riding the next potential superstar to a run of successful years.
Your absolutely right. Great post. If we can get a young elite franchise level talent to get mentored into eventually taking over that would be ideal. But we need to grab that player first. How? Fastest way is to tank one season for McJesus.
It is highly unlikely to be able to trade for a player like this because why would other teams give them up? And no way will you find a player like that in free agency. We have to get that high draft pick.
Also want to mention that Guerin really helped out Crosby. Great veteran leader there. You can see that big hole missing these past few years without these kind of leaders on the Penguins.
there is talk with the GM's wanting to change the draft lotto to one ball per team, meaning finishing 1st or last you still have the same chance at getting the number 1 pick. the idea is to stop rewarding teams for running their clubs into the ground.