Tank or re-tool on the fly?
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LickTheEnvelope
Time to Retool... again...
Definitely don't tank Oilers style...
Ideally i'd like UFA's on short term deals so if the re-tool blows up they can be moved for assets and the rebuild thus commences.
Ideally i'd like UFA's on short term deals so if the re-tool blows up they can be moved for assets and the rebuild thus commences.
Baby Pettersson
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No doubt. Is this thread even posing a real question?
Edit: Title change. It is now.
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ihaveyuidonttouchme
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half ass effort? we havent even hit FA market yet
we r going for re-tool by the sounds of going after miller and few other guys
Bure All Day
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i dont want to tank "oilers style", but I would like to tank this upcomming season, then get back to trying to be competitive
Pip
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Oiler style could also be Penguins style IMO
So plan to pick in the top 5 for the next 2-3 years, or try to be a competitive team while trying to get younger and use that buzz word, "retool" that everyone likes so much because rebuild is a scary word.
I'd probably say the former, you gun for a franchise centreman next year, and follow it up with a higher pick who should step in as our prospects are hopefully starting to make an impact at the NHL level. I obviously want the Sedins and Hamhuis to be around so it's not just the kids running the show, but I don't think our prospect pool is good enough and our players are too close to the end of their careers to retool on the fly.
So plan to pick in the top 5 for the next 2-3 years, or try to be a competitive team while trying to get younger and use that buzz word, "retool" that everyone likes so much because rebuild is a scary word.
I'd probably say the former, you gun for a franchise centreman next year, and follow it up with a higher pick who should step in as our prospects are hopefully starting to make an impact at the NHL level. I obviously want the Sedins and Hamhuis to be around so it's not just the kids running the show, but I don't think our prospect pool is good enough and our players are too close to the end of their careers to retool on the fly.
Tim McCracken
Good loser = LOSER!
Sure it does. There are certainly people on here or fans in general that advocate getting as a good pick as possible in a deep draft next year and when I hear things like that, I'm always curious as to whether they're season ticket holders and prepared to ante up knowing there's no chance of going anywhere for a bit. Easy to say tank and full rebuild when you watch the games for free and have no skin in the game other than emotional.
Pip
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IMO, associating an actual rebuild with the Oilers is derailing this thread.
It should simply be rebuild vs retool
It should simply be rebuild vs retool
I'd like to see this team ice the best team they can, with a proviso that all things being equal, young players and prospects should be given roster spots over vets.
I don't mind the Canucks kicking tires on somebody like Iginla, because the Canucks biggest need is scoring wingers, and he'd be a positive influence on younger players. He would also, one would assume, sign a short-term deal.
However, If a young player looks NHL ready, I think that player should play, even if they're maybe not quite up to the level of the older player being replaced. If a player like Linden Vey looks like he can be 90% as effective as Janik Hansen, the younger player should get the job. If Bo Horvat looks like he's about as effective as Matthias, the kid gets a look.
I don't really get the pursuit of Ryan Miller, because I don't know that he would be a massive upgrade over the younger Lack, and that money could be better spent on scoring.
The Canucks desperately need an injection of youth, but I don't think icing a team that can't compete is helpful. It can shatter the confidence of young players if they're losing every night.
Even if the next couple of seasons are transition years, there's nothing wrong with younger players getting a taste of a playoff race.
I don't mind the Canucks kicking tires on somebody like Iginla, because the Canucks biggest need is scoring wingers, and he'd be a positive influence on younger players. He would also, one would assume, sign a short-term deal.
However, If a young player looks NHL ready, I think that player should play, even if they're maybe not quite up to the level of the older player being replaced. If a player like Linden Vey looks like he can be 90% as effective as Janik Hansen, the younger player should get the job. If Bo Horvat looks like he's about as effective as Matthias, the kid gets a look.
I don't really get the pursuit of Ryan Miller, because I don't know that he would be a massive upgrade over the younger Lack, and that money could be better spent on scoring.
The Canucks desperately need an injection of youth, but I don't think icing a team that can't compete is helpful. It can shatter the confidence of young players if they're losing every night.
Even if the next couple of seasons are transition years, there's nothing wrong with younger players getting a taste of a playoff race.
Takumi3000
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Tank Oiler style for just 1 season. Grab McDavid/Eichel then do everything properly. Canadian fans don't have patience for long rebuilds. I get that. But I am not suggesting a long one. Just persevere for one season. We need a young elite franchise level talent to build upon.
Also to note. The timing is really perfect for tanking just the one season if you think about it. 2015 draft has some of the best elite talent to be included and this summers free agent crops are terrible and shallow.
Also to note. The timing is really perfect for tanking just the one season if you think about it. 2015 draft has some of the best elite talent to be included and this summers free agent crops are terrible and shallow.
SoulReaper
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Tim McCracken
Good loser = LOSER!
Tank just this one year, sign some FA's this offseason at high salary 1 year deals, promising to trade them to a contender of their choosing at the deadline and retain 50% on each and flip them for picks in 2015, get a top 5 pick, take a center with that top 5 pick that has potential 1C in him. The year after that, insert young players who will more than likely be ready. (Horvat, Shinkaruk etc), and compliment them with vets with good skill to play along side of.. Make the playoffs and make at least Round 2, and don't tank from then on.
Benning takes the middle road.
It is about as half-ass as possible.
Benning will probably go the free agency route to get short-term fixes...
I do not have any doubts...
But that is a terrible way to build a winning team.
The team...
As it is currently constructed...
Is not a contender...
And free agency will not change that...
Because of how poor and shallow it is.
Benning thinks he can win and still build for the future...
And I disagree with him.
A team should go all in one way or the other...
Or else it will continue to be a middling team.
That is just my opinion.
I will gladly be proven wrong.
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NFITO
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There's a huge difference between what these 2 teams did.
The problem with the Oilers is that they decided to go completely with their youth and didn't have veterans to help guide the team and mentor the young. The Pens had a lot of vets on their roster when Crosby and Malkin first came in - they learned from seasoned vets - led of course by Lemieux, but that team also had Recchi, Palffy, Gonchar, and Leclair.
The Oilers thought they could just let their youth run with it and develop on their own... and then made things even worse by recycling rookie coaches to guide them. This is why even with their most talented players you see holes in their games.
The proper way to rebuild, IMO, is to have good leaders and respected vets around for your youth to lean on - and not to stack the roster with young players, but bring them in gradually learning from the vets. This is what we saw in Pittsburgh.. what we always see in Detroit, what we've seen in the past in Colorado (though they are a very young roster this time around).
Teams that seemed to be forever stuck in rebuild, like the Oilers, or Thrashers in the past, or Isles, etc, seem to focus so much to finding as many spots for their up and comers that they ignore the importance of having good veteran leaders to help that development process. Don't want to see the Canucks caught in that cycle. The Sedins, Hamhuis, Bieksa - these guys are going to be invaluable IMO in helping the next wave develop.
mrmyheadhurts
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I'm for re-tooling rather than tanking and rebuilding
If everything goes to hell in a handbasket and we finish last, then those are the bounces and a prize like McDavid is excellent consolation.
That said, we shouldn't be actively trying to suck to ensure a high draft pick. It doesn't even gurantee that you get the draft pick that would be used to get a guy like McDavid.
For those reasons, re-tool and re-load.
If everything goes to hell in a handbasket and we finish last, then those are the bounces and a prize like McDavid is excellent consolation.
That said, we shouldn't be actively trying to suck to ensure a high draft pick. It doesn't even gurantee that you get the draft pick that would be used to get a guy like McDavid.
For those reasons, re-tool and re-load.
y2kcanucks
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This "retooling on the fly" is just going to turn this team into another Calgary or Toronto. Definitely don't want that.
Why does it have to be "tank oilers style?" Why can't it be "tank Avalanche style?"
Why does it have to be "tank oilers style?" Why can't it be "tank Avalanche style?"
realist99
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You don't need top 5 picks to rebuild. You can still try and put the best possible team on the ice. Just keep an eye on the puck and continue building the farm and acquiring young talent.
It's ok to acquire older players as long as ..
1. No long term deals
2. He doesn't block the development of a younger player
3. Only pay cash for him ...not assets
It's ok to acquire older players as long as ..
1. No long term deals
2. He doesn't block the development of a younger player
3. Only pay cash for him ...not assets
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