Speculation: Summer 2018 Roster Discussion Part II

[rangerssharks414]

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[OffSydes]

He is followed by some "legit" hockey persons

 

[LadyStanley]

GM Doug Wilson: Sharks 'positioned to add' through free...

Kurz' take on DW's "positioned to add" players for the summer.



http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/summer-2018-off-season-roster-discussion.2492389/
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[Sleestak Nation]

Gilligans Island said: ↑

So we're clearly going all-in on Tavares. Do we have ANY connections to him? Any Sharks played with him or coached him?​

Just to answer, he played with Thornton and Vlasic at the Sochi Olympics.

Also, of note, he played with John Carlson in junior after being traded to London.

 

[Mattb124]

One wonders if the tone of the conversation with Kovalchuck didn't drive this to an extent?

 

[pappaf2]

One wonders if the tone of the conversation with Kovalchuck didn't drive this to an extent?

Something like this?

I will not play hockey for you as long as that Dane is there.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Just to answer, he played with Thornton and Vlasic at the Sochi Olympics.

Also, of note, he played with John Carlson in junior after being traded to London.

Played with Thornton, Couture, Burns, and Vlasic at the World Cup, right?

@Maladroit, who mentioned Tavares’ turning his linemates into superstars. Check the post I made in the main board thread about Tavares.

There might be nobody in the NHL that elevates the performance and production of his line mates more than Tavares.

- PA Parenteau scored 67 points with Tavares.
- Matt Moulson scored 69 points with Tavares.
- Kyle Okposo had 69 points with Tavares.

None of these 3 players had played 30 NHL games before they joined the NYI. None of them scored more than 45 points in a season after they left the Islanders. Moulson and Parenteau played their last NHL games before the age of 35 and at age 30 right now, I'm not expecting Okposo to buck that trend.

Now, Anders Lee and Josh Bailey are having some serious success with Tavares. Anders Lee just scored 40 goals. Josh Bailey just had 70 points. You've got a bunch of guys who were not NHLers before they played with Tavares, and all of a sudden, they start playing with big Johnny T, and they're all producing like above average first line forwards? And as soon as they leave Tavares, none of them can score 50 points once?

Tavares is an elite franchise superstar Stanley Cup #1C; no questions asked.

 

[Sleestak Nation]

Played with Thornton, Couture, Burns, and Vlasic at the World Cup, right?

@Maladroit, who mentioned Tavares’ turning his linemates into superstars. Check the post I made in the main board thread about Tavares.

Very interesting about his linemates. Long suspected, but data makes it sink in. Plus, he created favourable match-ups for the second line this year, leading to Barzal's impact as a rookie and Eberle's renaissance.

And yup, he did play with Burns and Couture too. Always seem to forget about the World Cup of Hockey.

 

[hockeyball]

Look, Trotz is available, dump PDB and grab him, I wanted Trotz before PDB anyway, now is our chance heh.

 

[hohosaregood]

Look, Trotz is available, dump PDB and grab him, I wanted Trotz before PDB anyway, now is our chance heh.

We all know Trotz is going to Washington

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

After buying out Paul Martin and taking Maxim Letunov off the roster, we have over $20M in cap space with two forward spots to fill to hit 20 players. We would need to re-sign Hertl, Tierney, DeMelo, and Thornton.

Realistically, these are fair predictions for each player:

Tierney - $2M-$3M
Thornton-$3M-$5M
Hertl-$4M-$6M
DeMelo-$1M-$2M

So, between $10M and $15M. for those 4 players. Probably comes in at $12M. We would have a 22 man roster if we brought back all 4 of these players, but only between $5M and $10M in cap space. We’re still going to need to make a few more moves if we want to get Tavares.

The easiest thing to do to is just not to bring back DeMelo and Tierney. That saves between $3M and $5M, which gives us between $9M and $13M to sign Tavares and have a 21 man roster. Trading Melker Karlsson and not re-signing Tierney or DeMelo gives us between $11M and $15M to sign Tavares and have a 20 man roster. Of course this is with Tim Heed as the #6D.

We’re probably going to make a few more moves before we can comfortably sign Tavares.

 

[Bizz]

anything more than 1.2-1.5M for Tierney is a severe overpayment.

Demelo isn't worth more than 700k

 

[LadyStanley]

We all know Trotz is going to Washington

Cut his ties over the weekend as $300k raise after winning Stanley Cup is a slap in the face.




Hmmmm

 

[hohosaregood]

Cut his ties over the weekend as $300k raise after winning Stanley Cup is a slap in the face.




Hmmmm

The other Washington.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

anything more than 1.2-1.5M for Tierney is a severe overpayment.

Demelo isn't worth more than 700k

Tierney is a center who scored 40 points and plays top PK minutes. If we traded him, he would likely get signed at $3M/2Y by his new team. We know he actually sucks but the numbers don’t show that and other teams won’t know that.

DeMelo doesn’t deserve more than whatever league maximum is for a one-way AHL only contract.

 

[KirbyDots]

Cut his ties over the weekend as $300k raise after winning Stanley Cup is a slap in the face.




Hmmmm

Was just going to post this, interesting name. If we lose out on Tavares we could trade for Panarin and sign Kovy.

 

[LadyStanley]

Seattle won't play for at least two more season's. Don't think Trotz wants to remain idle (coaching wise) that long. Besides, Seattle OVG just hired Tippett as senior advisor.



DON'T PANIC

 

[Maladroit]

Seattle won't play for at least two more season's. Don't think Trotz wants to remain idle (coaching wise) that long. Besides, Seattle OVG just hired Tippett as senior advisor.



DON'T PANIC

I wish it had been our Melker Karlsson. That would have been a huge break for us.

 

[rangerssharks414]

I wish it had been our Melker Karlsson. That would have been a huge break for us.

Yup. His contract is too much for what "production" he brings.

 

[Maladroit]

Yup. His contract is too much for what "production" he brings.

Really hoping he gets moved on Saturday for like a 4th or 5th round pick. We need every cent of cap space we can get if this is gonna work with Tavares.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Really hoping he gets moved on Saturday for like a 4th or 5th round pick. We need every cent of cap space we can get if this is gonna work with Tavares.

Would he even fetch that much?

I really don't follow the Barracuda. Aren't there a few bottom six forwards that are ready to move up/get a shot?

 

[Pistol Pete]

If I remember correctly, the Sharks were in on Panarin before he signed with Chicago. He’s a right handed shot. I’d be very interested in him.

Aside from that, I had outlined a way for the Sharks to sign both Tavares and and Kovy in the previous thread. It essentially breaks down to this, if the cap is $80+mil...
-Trade Boedker. CHECK
-Trade Karlsson.
-Trade Tierney.
-Buyout Martin.
-Sign Tavares to $10mil per.
-Sign Kovy to $5mil per.
-Sign Hertl to $5mil per.
-Sign Thornton to $1mil per heavy bonus.
-Sign Demelo to $1mil per.

It also leaves the ability to trade Braun, Tierney, and the 21st for a RD upgrade that costs ~$4.5-5mil.

 

[rangerssharks414]

If I remember correctly, the Sharks were in on Panarin before he signed with Chicago. He’s a right handed shot. I’d be very interested in him.

Aside from that, I had outlined a way for the Sharks to sign both Tavares and and Kovy in the previous thread. It essentially breaks down to this, if the cap is $80+mil...
-Trade Boedker. CHECK
-Trade Karlsson.
-Trade Tierney.
-Buyout Martin.
-Sign Tavares to $10mil per.
-Sign Kovy to $5mil per.
-Sign Hertl to $5mil per.
-Sign Thornton to $1mil per heavy bonus.
-Sign Demelo to $1mil per.

It also leaves the ability to trade Braun, Tierney, and the 21st for a RD upgrade that costs ~$4.5-5mil.

I think those contracts to Kovalchuk and Tavares are short of what they'll get.

 

[Ronnie Residue]

If I remember correctly, the Sharks were in on Panarin before he signed with Chicago. He’s a right handed shot. I’d be very interested in him.

Aside from that, I had outlined a way for the Sharks to sign both Tavares and and Kovy in the previous thread. It essentially breaks down to this, if the cap is $80+mil...
-Trade Boedker. CHECK
-Trade Karlsson.
-Trade Tierney.
-Buyout Martin.
-Sign Tavares to $10mil per.
-Sign Kovy to $5mil per.
-Sign Hertl to $5mil per.
-Sign Thornton to $1mil per heavy bonus.
-Sign Demelo to $1mil per.

It also leaves the ability to trade Braun, Tierney, and the 21st for a RD upgrade that costs ~$4.5-5mil.

I’m not going to act like this is impossible, but the amount of “ifs” for this to workout are a little past realistic.

 

[Maladroit]

Would he even fetch that much?

I really don't follow the Barracuda. Aren't there a few bottom six forwards that are ready to move up/get a shot?

Probably not. I'd take a 7th or future considerations for him at this point as long as we're not taking back any salary.

I see absolutely no need for Kovalchuk if we sign Tavares. It's not realistic anyway.