Sudbury Wolves 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 4)

[HockeyHell]

Chenier an Bulitka are not equal players so please stop trying to sell that line. Bulitka was never able to drive the play for his line, and padded his stats immensely playing lots of minutes beside Byfield. Want to replace Bulitka's stats? Line up Stillman or any other somewhat offensively-minded player beside Byfield and voila. Chenier, on the other hand, has shown he can drive play for his line and have great success. Pekar - well you have already seen what he is capable of.

The two players you acquired at the deadline rank 1,2 for shots on goal on your roster - these were big upgrades for you. You may not agree with the moves that your GM made, but he did not overpay for these players. They are good players, and will now give fits to your opponents when trying to match up against 3 quality scoring lines.

Padded stats last year as well?

 

[dirty12]

you're just bitter that he traded Bulitka, if he was a coward, he wasn't afraid to make that move to get Chenier, that was a ballsy move. I change my name but I don't make fake accounts.

Cheerleader funny, I been here a long time, I have been critical of management when Barclay Branch was around, and also very critical on the Burgess ownership.

You're a good story teller, the stuff you come up with is hilarious, a lot of false insight and indueando, stick with facts.

ballsy ballsy would be adding to give the team a chance to win. Adding Chenier was a minor upgrade, possibly a favour and major slap in the face to a career wolf. Had Papineau upgraded OA with a D, Bulitka could at least know the club was trying to improve at a different position of more need.

 

[HockeyPops]

Padded stats last year as well?

Ruzicka drove the play for Bulitka. Before Ruzicka was added Bulitka was terrible. He went from something like less than .66 points per game to over 1 point per game once Ruzicka was added.

 

[dirty12]

Ruzicka drove the play for Bulitka. Before Ruzicka was added Bulitka was terrible. He went from something like less than .66 points per game to over 1 point per game once Ruzicka was added.

which is good production, but more often than not he was between the twins. Bulitka did everything that was asked of him responsibly, from line 1-3 LW or C.
Chenier digs, opens space, and gets on the score sheet. He does not drive offence. He was a complimentary mostly 1st line piece for Struthers/Moncada and Brazeau/Coe

 

[hockieguy]

I would agree with the Bulitka for Chenier straight up, but not for the two extra picks dealt to North bay. Howlman, do the math for games left vs potential games to play. Does not make any sense at all.

 

[HockeyHell]

Ruzicka drove the play for Bulitka. Before Ruzicka was added Bulitka was terrible. He went from something like less than .66 points per game to over 1 point per game once Ruzicka was added.

I guess that is why Stillman used him so much in every situation because he didnt produce. These attacks on this kid are so funny. He was a defensive forward who had great stats.. funny how my criticism of the GM based on his comments has me being biased towards Bulitka. Giving up picks for this trade was stupid.

 

[justawolfan]

Ruzicka drove the play for Bulitka. Before Ruzicka was added Bulitka was terrible. He went from something like less than .66 points per game to over 1 point per game once Ruzicka was added.

We really shouldn't be comparing apples and oranges. Bulitka has always been mainly a defensive specialist and was always played in critical situations and that was his strength. He has never been counted on as the clutch scorer on the team. Also there's the issue that goals for has not been an issue for this team but rather goals against.

 

[cub]

Ruzicka drove the play for Bulitka. Before Ruzicka was added Bulitka was terrible. He went from something like less than .66 points per game to over 1 point per game once Ruzicka was added.

Agreed, Bulitka a good guy but it was evident when Byfield was gone could not carry team, the veteran group needed to carry team and went on a losing streak winning once in 7 games when Byfield was away. The offence went dry the needed to upgrade here and did with Pekar, and Chenier, we should have 4 solid lines now. If Bulitka was putting some numbers he would not have gotten traded. I believe Lodnia maybe was first choice, and could have been expensive for an OA. Chenier came into play later I believe at a cheaper price.

I'm sure he tried to get a top D, but many variables for someone to come and cost. The defence has played very well of late, and also the goaltending. We will have majority of this D group, so we should be set for next season.

 

[hockieguy]

The only player that could possibly return is Jacklyn, which is doubtful. So basically the Wolves gave up 7 picks (1, 386 games) for 70 games of OA players. Not a good move.

 

[djscooter]

So basically the Wolves gave up 7 picks (1, 386 games)

 

[dirty12]

Help me out with the supposed four solid lines cub, because I think they have to be largely restructured.
Pekar-Byfield-Levin is great until seeing the 2nd unit.
Geez, can there be a bigger misfit of players to form a less cohesive 2nd line than Hutch-Murray-Gihula?
Chenier-Carson-Stillman is a pretty darn good 3rd line/checking line.
Larmand-Monikas-McCallum is fair for a re-tooling team.
Did Papineau out smart himself adding a (much needed?) checking LW?

 

[justawolfan]

Help me out with the supposed four solid lines cub, because I think they have to be largely restructured.
Pekar-Byfield-Levin is great until seeing the 2nd unit.
Geez, can there be a bigger misfit of players to form a less cohesive 2nd line than Hutch-Murray-Gibula?
Chenier-Carson-Stillman is a pretty darn good 3rd line/checking line.
Larmand-Monikas-McCallum is fair for a re-tooling team.
Did Papineau out smart himself adding a (much needed?) checking LW?

Where does Robinson fit in here? 2nd line I'm sure.

 

[nelli27]

Anyone coming down to London on Friday to watch the Wolves and Knights battle?

 

[View from section 9]

which is good production, but more often than not he was between the twins. Bulitka did everything that was asked of him responsibly, from line 1-3 LW or C.
Chenier digs, opens space, and gets on the score sheet. He does not drive offence. He was a complimentary mostly 1st line piece for Struthers/Moncada and Brazeau/Coe

False.
I've watched him almost every game for 4.5 seasons. He does drive the play, most of last season he did not play with Brazeau and Struthers.
Fact check dude.

 

[dirty12]

Where does Robinson fit in here? 2nd line I'm sure.

Oh yeah, forgot there was one more left shot that does not seem to fit in

 

[dirty12]

False.
I've watched him almost every game for 4.5 seasons. He does drive the play, most of last season he did not play with Brazeau and Struthers.
Fact check dude.

I watched almost every NB game that did not conflict with wolves home games because Brazeau was something to see. Bughart missed nearly all of the first half, and was 1st line for maybe a little more than 2/3 of the games he played. When Chenier did not play on the top line in the 2nd half, he played with Coe. In the dozen or so games McMaster played on the top line 1st half, Chenier played with Coe. Chenier was a good (compliment) for Moncada/Struthers and Brazeau/Coe, not a driver of the offence.
Fact check that Dude.

 

[cub]

1st line: Chenier-Byfield-Pekar
2nd line: Murray- Levin- Gilhula/ Robinson
3rd line: Hutch- Carson-Stillman
4th line: Robinson- Maniskas- McCallum

 

[justawolfan]

1st line: Chenier-Byfield-Pekar
2nd line: Murray- Levin- Gilhula/ Robinson
3rd line: Hutch- Carson-Stillman
4th line: Robinson- Maniskas- McCallum

I like it but personally I can't take Gilhula even being near a scoring line. He produces very little and should be placed in a checking role......maybe, but not relied on to support scoring.

 

[cub]

I like it but personally I can't take Gilhula even being near a scoring line. He produces very little and should be placed in a checking role......maybe, but not relied on to support scoring.

yes I agree, I had Gilhula there because Right shot. You can put Robinson or Hutchinson on their offwing on Second line. Or move up Stillman to second line, but the nepotism factor will come into play with some fans.

 

[View from section 9]

I watched almost every NB game that did not conflict with wolves home games because Brazeau was something to see. Bughart missed nearly all of the first half, and was 1st line for maybe a little more than 2/3 of the games he played. When Chenier did not play on the top line in the 2nd half, he played with Coe. In the dozen or so games McMaster played on the top line 1st half, Chenier played with Coe. Chenier was a good (compliment) for Moncada/Struthers and Brazeau/Coe, not a driver of the offence.
Fact check that Dude.

Take this season as an example if you will.
Moncada with Chenier on his wing, 11 GP & 14 pts.
Moncada without Chenier on his wing, 29 GP & 19 points.

Chenier doesn't drive offense?

 

[dirty12]

Take this season as an example if you will.
Moncada with Chenier on his wing, 11 GP & 14 pts.
Moncada without Chenier on his wing, 29 GP & 19 points.

Chenier doesn't drive offense?

the same totals apply to Moncada with/without Coe? I’ll maintain Chenier was complimentary piece with Struthers/Moncada and Brazeau/Coe, not the driver of their offence. That is not to suggest he is a passenger if that’s what you’re thinking.
This thing you joined in was never about minimizing Chenier’s effect, it was about the marginal improvement of him minus Bulitka to the team, and if it’s worth casting aside a career wolf because Chenier is from Hanmer. An OA D would have a bigger impact on the wolves. Lodinia or Josling would have been a significant upgrade at RW where it’s really needed. I think Chenier can be a very good complimentary winger for Byfield; but, he won’t drive a scoring line

 

[Wolfman Jack]

I like it but personally I can't take Gilhula even being near a scoring line. He produces very little and should be placed in a checking role......maybe, but not relied on to support scoring.

Was really hoping the Wolves would of dealt Gilhula for a pick as they did Stratis. And brought in another 19 year old checking forward to put on the third line. Bring down Stillman to the 4th line with Larmond, McCallum and Manikis.

Levin Byfield Pekar
Chenier Murray Robinson
Hutchison Carson Manikis/Gilhula
Larmond McCallum Stillman

As for Bulitka too bad he doesn't finish off in Sudbury. I guess the management felt Chenier brought an extra gear and more finish than Shane. But I guess we will see how it plays out in the coming months. One of the picks is conditional though. So really it was a 3rd given up along with Bulitka. Not sure what the conditions are on the second pick? the only thing this deal might do is make Sudbury look bad to the player agency Bulitka has. But we are not the only team to do this. London brought in Wilms and dropped Tymkin altogether. So it isn't as bad as people are making it seem. I think we will see Chenier once comfortable with the style of play here get some big goals for us and be more of a factor each game.

Would of been nice to add a piece on defense. I believe the age and lack of physicality will cost Sudbury come playoffs. Case in point the Missy game we had a tough time from the checking of the Stealheads. A team like Ottawa, Oshawa and the Petes will give us fits lets be honest.

For Sudbury to have any success in the playoffs and the rest of the second half they need to find the right chemistry, get the PP to be more successful, limit turnovers (bad decisions) and goaltending to be consistent and make timely saves.

Sudbury needs to step up their play as teams like Missy and Hamilton are creeping up on us. We need to maintain the 2nd spot in the Eastern conf.

WJ

 

[I Loveallsports]

1st line: Chenier-Byfield-Pekar
2nd line: Murray- Levin- Gilhula/ Robinson
3rd line: Hutch- Carson-Stillman
4th line: Robinson- Maniskas- McCallum

Some guys won't be happy with ice time or will maybe have to sit in the stands depending.on performance. Where does Jacklin fit in with all these bodies

 

[howlman]

Some guys won't be happy with ice time or will maybe have to sit in the stands depending.on performance. Where does Jacklin fit in with all these bodies

Doesn't look like Jacklin is on the roster anymore on the OHL site. Would have liked to see more of him. I guess he'll be strictly a depth/call-up guy from Rayside. Coach Stillman needs to find some good line combos and get some chemistry going with the lines. Personally I'd put Robinson back on the wing with Byfield. They had good chemistry going before Byfield left for the World juniors, and Robinson was putting up some good points. I don't think we need to stack the top line. You could put anyone with Byfield and Pekar on that top line. Robinson would really compliment that line with his speed. A 2nd line with Chenier/Levin/Murray would be pretty strong and balanced. Manikis needs to get going again, ever since his return from injury he doesn't seem like the same player, we need him playing physical and with an edge. Hutcheson really needs to pull his socks up and get back to playing how he did last season and start playing a heavier game and score some goals. Gilhula I have no idea where he fits in for this line-up, he doesn't really fit the role of playing on a 3rd/4th line, personally I think Jacklin could be a better fit on the 3rd/4th line with his size and forechecking.

 

[cub]

Some guys won't be happy with ice time or will maybe have to sit in the stands depending.on performance. Where does Jacklin fit in with all these bodies

I believe Jacklin will be more of an affiliate player for the Wolves, more of insurance policy.